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Red Tails...A movie review...and why a discussion of Role Models for African American Youth is a depressing subject in 2012!!!

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Added: Wednesday, February 8th 2012 at 7:58pm by winning
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This post is going to confuse some and probably outrage others....but after reading a Blogster Post about Reparations I just felt the need to once again address a real crazy subject.....Race in America!!

I will start with a movie review on the Lucas Films production "Redtails"!!! Redtails has been roundly critized as not being a really good movie. Some people are confused as to why blacks are not flocking to see it, and are actually using that fact to support their beliefs that black themed movies are not good business risks!

Truth be told "Redtails" is just a bad movie.....so why should people go to see it just because black actors are in it....this is not 1970....those days are long gone. Blacks want quality just like anyone else.

As to the idea that Redtails depicts a story of black heroes and since we are in need of good role models in the black community we should rush out and see this film is just insane. As far as the role model thing is concerned....the black community as a whole already knows the story of the Tuskegee Airman....the true story that is!!! They know this story because almost every inner city school in America has assess to the Tuskegee Airman Association who annually give hundreds of presentations to school kids about the real "Redtails".....and the benefits of a career in aviation!!

At last count there are fewer then 100 of these giants of our society left....and they get fewer and fewer as the years go by, but if you ever have the priviledge of sitting through one of their presentations you will never forget it!! As to the movie, I personally feel one of the biggest mistakes made was to not use the real names of some of the persons involved and as a result the movie lost its historical value and just became bad entertainment!!

Every Negro History buff knows that Benjamin O. Davis jr. was the commander of the "Redtails" and to my knowledge he was a "non-drinker"!! He was the first General Officer of Color in the US Air Force and was a West Point Graduate. The failure to use his name in the movie allowed the producers to take some license with the truth and the movie suffered as a result of it. Davis was a real role model and it is a shame that he has been left out of this production because truth be told if there was no Ben O. Davis Jr., there would be no General Chappy James, and if there was no Chappy James, there would be no General Becton, and if there were no General Becton, there would be no Collin Powell, and if there were no Collin Powell then there would be no General Brooks.....who now commands Third Army!! Get my drift....these are role models and there are plenty of them....and guess what, the black community knows about them.....its the media and a few other people who seem to miss theboatfrom time to time.

Which brings me to this nonsense that in 2012 Black Americans are still preceived by some to be this collective of ghetto dwelling beast who are looking for every hand out that can be thrown their way and that in some way we are just a group of race baiting freaks that think america owes us something!!

First....there are 30 million african americans in this country...and anyone can pull up a Youtube video of some idiot talking about free foodstamps....but only an idiot of equal intelligence would believe that this is representative of the entire 30 million!! Yet time and time again some in society continue to make that mistake!! Blacks are not monolithic....we come in different shades and have different values!!

Hollywood made this mistake before when a young Black guy by the name of Tyler Perry came to them and offered the idea of during a series of religious based movies highlighting positive social values in the black community and a sense of family....Hollywood said black folks won't spend money on that type of stuff and turned him down. Feeling that Hollywood was wrong...this guy slept in his car while he financed a series of Stage Plays that he wrote himself, that highlighted a religious theme. He was an instant success as Black audiences all over america knew about Tyler Perry long before white america knew he was alive.

Now Tyler Perry doesn't use or need Hollywood at all.....he has his own production studios and film company based in Atlanta, where he produces movie after movie with strong religious and family themes that deal in a heavy handed manner with issues that effect the Black community.....and guess what, black folks spend the money to see his movies.

So in 2012 we need to check ourselves on some of this stereotypical stuff about black folks.....we don't care about reparations....and affirmative action long ago stopped benefitting black folks. Check the stats....white females for the last 15 years have been the primary benefactors of affirmative action.

And since this is Black History month, I thought I would give you just a little factual history about that subject. Blacks have been celebrating what was referred to as Negro History Month since 1926! It was a way of informing the black community of the contributions it had made and continued to make to American History....because it in fact was American History. It was started by Dr. Carter G. Woodson and was a purely academic process. It was explained this way:

In 1926, Woodson pioneered the celebration of "Negro History Week", designated for the second week in February, to coincide with marking the birthdays of Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.[9] The week of recognition became accepted and has been extended as the full month of February, now known as Black History Month.

With the amount of misinformation that is spread out here these days about black folks and what we think and feel, maybe its time we started highlighting some of this stuff again....because then maybe folks would start to understand that we are joined at the hip, our histories are one and they make up this great american fabric.

True Black Role Models are American role models......as were the real "Redtails".....it a shame that we in 2012 still don't seem to understand this!!

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The standard way to refer to a citizen of the country, identified as the  United States of America, is as an "American".

Negro Americans did not start to refer to themselves as Negro Americans......it was the law of the land at that time.....as a result it is something that just continued.

The same as Irish Americans or Italian Americans.....this is a purely Ameican thing no other country makes these distinctions!

Heck I didn't know I was a Negro until I was 10 years old. I didn't know I was Black until I was 20 and I didn't know I was was an African American until I was over 21. Society gave me those labels....I just considered myself a person!!

I didn't know I was Caucasian, until I filled out an application for college / and the same was repeated for job applications.

But I knew from Kindergarten, I was an American.

Society often mimics what the government servants dictate.

I would be PO'd if people referred to me as a European-American  ..........simply because umpteen generations ago my ancestors were born in a country in Europe.

I have no ties or allegiance to Europe.

Tyler Perry is the pinnacle of role models. Good post.

Well written, thoughtful post.  Did not realize the Black History week was specifically placed to tie to Lincoln and Douglass' birthdays. 

I haven't seen red tails, but when I saw an ad, I thought "this was already done".  I thought the movie saw some years ago was pretty good, sounds like there's no reason to see tails.

"RedTails" isn't a movie I would see whether a white or black cast/story because I am not into war stories but I will be in the theatre Friday February 24 to see Tyler Perry's "Good Deeds"--I really like his movies, learn a lot and I wish there was more of a crossover for his films!

I will also be there for Perry's movie when it opens here!!

I agree on the crossover thing!!

 

I don't know why but I don't get into his TV work--maybe because I just don't like TV sitcomes. :O)

Benjamin Oliver Davis Jr. Benjamindavis.jpg
General Benjamin O. Davis, Jr. Born December 18, 1912(1912-12-18)
Washington, D.C. Died July 4, 2002(2002-07-04) (aged 89)
Washington, D.C. Place of burial Arlington National Cemetery Allegiance United States Service/branch United States Army
United States Air Force Years of service 1936–1970 Rank US-O10 insignia.svg General (honorary rank) Commands held 99th Pursuit Squadron
332nd Fighter Group
Tuskegee Airmen
51st Fighter Wing
Thirteenth Air Force Battles/wars World War II
Korean War Awards Air Force Distinguished Service Medal
Army Distinguished Service Medal
Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Air Medal
Army Commendation Medal Other work Federal Sky Marshall Program
Assistant Secretary of Transportation

Benjamin Oliver Davis Jr. (December 18, 1912 – July 4, 2002)

The real Commander of the "Redtails"!!

Vincent K. Brooks 2011 ACU.jpg
Lt Gen Vincent K. Brooks Born October 24, 1958 (1958-10-24) (age 53)
Anchorage, Alaska Allegiance United States United States of America Service/branch United States Army seal United States Army Years of service 1980–present Rank Lieutenant General Commands held Third Army
1st Infantry Division
1st Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division Battles/wars

Kosovo War
War on Terror

War in Afghanistan Iraq War Awards Defense Superior Service Medal
Legion of Merit

Present Commander Third US Army

Do not forget that Spike Lee also had blacks flock to his movies and I personally do not believe that it put a positive spin on blacks in America. In fact, some of the stereotypical portrayal of blacks by Perry were not all that flattering.

While I realize the we have crack head white folks, I would not put them out as examples of Caucasians in America. To be honest, I find the portrayal of your average white people on most sit coms to be contrary to the people I know.

I do not blame you for being outraged by the reporting of only the bad behaviour of a minority of blacks, but it is the democrat media doing the reporting. I think they claim to be the "non" racists of the crowd.

David Duke and the KKK are has been nut jobs who could not change diddly with a pro diddly stick. When you have crap musicians spreading their version of black life and justifying crude lyrics by claiming it is just a representation of "the hood" you will have many saying "OK, if you say so"

Even an indignant black cannot with stand the onslaught of "anti you" brought on by your "anti them" sentiments. Ask Cosby how far your Black Heritage" takes you when you get on the bad side of the black establishment.

Although there are more white folks benefiting from welfare, we don't have a "white Caucus" or "National organization for the advancement of not so colored people" making excuses for honkys not having their place at the front of the economic pack.

As your average honky in America, I can tell you that there is nothing I can do to get your message out; if black folks get vilified for criticism of blacks in America, this white boy will not be so welcome either.

Tunnel Spike Lee was a Pimp!!! His early productions were garbage and he attracted no where near the audience of a Tyler Perry!!

Perry is an extension of Cosby in that he has had no fear in exposing the dark side of the black community....but will always bring it back to the strong connection that religion and faith have in moving the black community pass its down moments.

Cosby also has big shoulders and the black community understands that what white society considers to be the black establishment is in essense just that...only what white society considers!!

Cosby is univerisally reverred and he puts his money where is mouth is....supporting Black Colleges and Universities! He is one of the most requested key note speakers at black colleges....and guess what, people know what they are going to get when gets there....and they welcome it!!

As to the NAACP.....I did a post on the history of the organization and it was created by a group of people who were predominately white!!

It has only had 4 Black Presidents since its beginning in 1919!! I think the first one was in 1975!

So it was white folks who saw the need for that organization....and they were mostly Republicans!

There are all sorts of caucauses in the Congress....there is even a Tea Party Caucas now!!

Good job, W...oops...Winning {#basic-blush.gif}  HBO's "Tuskegee Airmen" was a much better and more accurate portrayal.  I haven't seen "Red Tails" but may go see it because I do like war movies.  The Tuskegee guys deserve all the attention and credit they can get, they created a record in combat unequalled by any other outfit of any color in any war.  

Race is one area I have avoided in my blogs...I don't want to be one of those "some of my best friends are black" guys but also don't want to open myself up to charges of racism.  In this format it is way too easy for agenda-driven folks to read things into an article that are not meant to be there.  But you inspire me, Winning, and maybe I'll share a tale or two...one involving Becton...I was at Patch when he was the VII Corps commander.  

Good work.

I couldn't figure out how to paste a picture here.  So, I am doing three comments in this space.  So, I will introduce Major General Charles (Charlie) Bolden, USMC.  He is presently the lead man at NASA.  He was an aviator in the Marines and had over 100 sorties in Vietnam driving the A-6 Intruder.  Charlie was also an astronaut.  I met him three or four times and got some one on one time with him.  He used to come to a lot of Marine Intruder reunions.  He is very personable.  He was "in transition" when I first met him.  He had been the CO of MCAS Mirimar (San Diego) and was doing PR things for NASA and the Marine Corp on his way to retirement.  He worked for several NASA contractors in Houston until he became the main man at NASA.  I stayed in touch with him until just before he went back to NASA.  You can type his name into any search engine and you will find him if you want more info.

Perhaps 10 years or so ago, I was out taking a break (I smoked at the time) outside and next to an Olive Garden, a big old, well kept, car came up and drop off a fellow.  This guy was well dressed and he walked with a cane.  He was not a kid.  He had a black leather coat on with information on both the front and back of it.  This guy is a Marine and I try to talk to everyone of them I meet.  He was a black man and a Marine, a WWII Marine.  He was in artillery in the South Pacific.  We had a fairly long talk as whomever dropped him off must have gotten lost.  So, of course, sea stories started.  The Marines were segregated the time and his battalion was all black.  I tease about his ride getting lost; it was his family and they were there to celebrate his birthday.  I got a lot of time with him.  He did have the Marine Gung Ho and the pride in being a Marine.  The segregation did not seem bother him, he was defending his country; Semper frigging FI!!!

This not related to race, but it popped into my mind.  I got out of the Marines during the Vietnam war with just short of seven years of service.  And as many of you remember there was a lot of politics flying around back then.  What I remember here is comments about more southern boys, colored boys, midwest boys and on were getting killed over there than others.  After the war I looked some stats about the war.  Well, there were a lot of people who died there.  The info I had broke stats out by age, sex, race, service and etc.  As it were the info about race was quite interesting.  The deaths related to race was real close to what would be in our national census no matter what race.  The average age on guys getting killed was 19.  The college grads were much higher than one would think.  If you looked into the stats you would find that many air crews were lost and most of them were college grads.  I am sure this info is easily available.

 W,

First I feel your pain and and suffer with you as you descend further into your loss of self in favor of a racial identity. I often try to imagine what it would be like if I were a successful black man who earned his stripes the old fashioned way. How would I feel every time I saw a black man arrested because he murdered some gas station attendent for 50 bucks. How would I feel every time I saw a drug deal going down in the ghetto, a black girl prostituting herself, another black pro or college athlete arrested for murder and on and on... Would I self-identify? Should I self-identify?

Of course not. You are you. You are not a black American any more than you allow yourself to be labeled as such. You cannot defend (at least you shouldn't) the criminal or immoral behaviors based on the fact that you share a racial heritage. Nor should you consider it a victory for "your People" when a black man becomes President, achieves high military rank or attains to any other great social position. You know as well as I do that when every person in America stops rooting for or defending their fellow citizens based on skin color or any other social demography it then must follow that we cannot blame crime and failure to skin color either. I know it's hard to stop this racial identity road you're going down. But it would be wise to recognize that you are on it.

IMO the most destructive force in America today is multi-culturalism. Racial division is a part of that movement. There is a misconception that focusing on our differences leads to understanding those who are different. Bullshit. It leads to supremist thinking and group agression and defensiveness.

Word

NBT on the racial idenity thing reference my response to Rachel:

I was 10 before I knew I was a Negro...20 before I knew I was Black and 21 before I knew I was African American....and these were all labels given to me by society!!

I always consider myself just a person!!

I seldom if ever check the race block on an application....because as far as I am concerned it should not matter!

I no more identify with a black person who commits a crime then I do with a white person who commits a crime...criminals are criminals!!

The point that I think you and many others miss is that the real purpose of Negro History was to inform first the black community, but most importantly the the white community that blacks contribute positive things to this society and that their history is in essence american history. Blacks never doubted this.....but it was the white community that was in denial!!

As to the subject of RAP....check your stats and you will see that white teens are the primary consumers of this genre'. And once the white production companies see that there is no money to be made with this product...its production will stop!! If the mainstream media would leave this stuff out...it would soon disappear.

Long pass the point of considering acheivement in this society as a victory....that is the point of my post!!

It's the media who continue to push this nonsense!

But if you had lived the life that I lived....seen the things that I have seen then you might understand why I sometimes feel that an education of white america is very much needed from time to time.

I next post might be on my up bringing...which might shine some light!!

we dont go to the movies very often, maybe once a year. They hit cable fast enough. So, from what you say I'll just watch it for entertainment value and not so much as historical fact. There have been other movies about these men, and quiet a shows on the History and Military channels I've watched. Personally for role models, I'm sure there are thousands of excellent Black teachers out there, there are some excellent Black athletes, actors and such. Most of all fathers. Fathers who love their children and work hard. In this day and age, there as many white or Oriental kids out there that are as bad or worse than any of the black kids. I think a lot of the problem is the fact that so many families have to have multiple incomes to survive, and that leaves young kids of all colors without proper role models after school and on weekends as their parents try to give them a better life. It all starts at home. Now as far as social services go, I looked it up, there are more whites on ALL social services than black, blacks come next and the brown man everyone likes to demonized comes in a distant third. What I dont get is why it has to still be segregated as the problem of poverty seems to know no race or color, it' hits us all. Yes, personally I prefer to call us all Americans, color makes no difference anymore, and as far as I've always been concerned it's the man, not the color.

Haven't seen the movie, probably will if I get a chance, I like war movies. I don't go to movies to "learn" history, I study history. I go to "war movies" for the action/entertainment.

Up and until the election of our current President, I believed there had been a great deal of progress made in race relations. I think most of the "gains" we have made in those areas are being quickly eroded, probably purposefully so by this administration. I don't much expect you to believe me necessarily, just liked reading this article so I thought I would throw my two cents in. I hope and pray I'm wrong about most of the things I think these days, but if I'm right it won't matter if your prejudiced or I am, those that are engineering this are seeing to it that we find less and less "common ground" thus promoting further division. Again, I pray I'm wrong. Good luck and God bless. 5 stars for trying.....{#star.gif}{#star.gif}{#star.gif}{#star.gif}{#star.gif}

Thanks for the comment....I do believe we have taken several steps backward and I think there are many reasons for it!

I hope that more open minded folks on both sides will step up and realize we have more in common then we have as a difference!

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