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To Spank or Not To Spank...that is the question.

Added: Friday, February 24th 2012 at 4:52pm by Windancer
 
 
 

Yesterday I went to the Galleria, a very huge shopping mall near where I live.  As I was walking around, I heard a child throwing a tantrum because his mom said he couldnt have whatever it was he wanted.

I looked at the mom....a very frazzled looking young lady pushing a pram with a tiny baby...trying to control a very vocal and bad tempered little 4 or 5 year old boy.

I felt sorry for her because the little boy would not listen to her and even so much as purposely disobeyed her when she told him not to touch anything.  They were just inside a shop that had breakable stuff that the child could have picked up and dropped and she would have been up for the cost of the item.

Finally with exasperation, she grabbed him by his little wrist and hauled him out of the shop and he screamed!!  I thought he might be screaming out  of  fear of being spanked but he was actually screaming in sheer anger at being hauled out of the shop.

The poor mom tried very hard to calm him down but she was starting to lose it too. Her baby started crying, the child wriggled out of her grip and took off.  She tried to call him back but he wouldnt listen. She pretty much ran after him pushing the pram in front of her and caught up very quickly.  Then she did what everyone who was witnessing the whole thing happen pretty much knew would happen. She grabbed his arm and whacked his bum!!!

She only whacked him once, and it's as if she suddenly realized..oops, maybe I shouldnt have done that...so many people are watching.

The child started crying  but did not try to free himself from her grip this time. He allowed her to lead him away while a few of the bystanders were tut-tut-tutting....I dont know if it was at her for spanking the child...or at the child for being a right proper little so-and-so.

What's the verdict on this, is it okay for a parent to spank a child under these circumstances or not?

 

User Comments

Oh, these loaded questions bloggers ask.

you have no opinion?

Yes, I do, but my answers always get me into trouble.

oh dear...lol....it's a pity that you cant express your opinion without fear of getting into trouble.

Lol, Brad

Yes, I think it is okay to whack his bum in public or not.  Sometimes that's the only thing that works.  It shouldn't be used to cause any kind of injury and should be a last resort.  Of course my daughter would disagree with me on that..

what does your daughter use as a last resort?

Yes....as Jamie Foxx said..."Spank that ###, Spank that ###, thank god almighty Spank that ###"!!

If proper discipline is applied at home you don't have to go there.....but if not....spank that butt!!

as long as you do it with love in your heart...not rage or anger.

And, also, use a little sense as to how many & at what level of heaviness you whack that butt.

of course, that goes without saying. There's a huge difference between discipline and child abuse. A whack on the bottom for being naughty is one thing...beating the crap out of a child is another.

Having no kids, it's hard for me to give a qualified answer. When we were young, I recall evenings at the dinner table when my older sister would backtalk or be flippant to my dad, and a time or two he smacked her across the face right then and there in front of all of us. I don't recall the specifics, but probably after dad having a long, hard day at the office, it probably wasn't what he needed as we usually sat down to eat right after he got home from work and hadn't had time to wind down yet.

I remember getting a spanking or two - always Dad not Mom, and I recall having to go in the bathroom and "wash my mouth out with soap" [ugh...LOL] when I said a few words that Mom didn't feel should be in my vocabulary.

All four of us children were, in a respectful way, afraid of our parents....thus providing us with the incentive to not get in trouble at school, mind our manners, do what we were told ect. As we got older, the punishments turned more into being grounded, no phone privileges, no TV, no going out during the week. This also happened if we got anything lower than a C on a report card. I spent a lot of time grounded in my teen years and a lot of time going to summer school.

When it come to little children - I dunno. It seems like common sense that if "Bobby hits his brother Billy" and mom or dad turns about and then smacks, hits, spanks or whatever you want to call it - Bobby for hitting Billy - does that teach the child that the way to solve problems is by smacking someone? After all, that's what mom did. And we DO see sometimes how, if it's carried too far, abuse carries on from generation to generation.

My grandmom used to make my Dad go out into the yard to the bushes out front and pick the switch she was about to switch him with :-)  Better not be too flimsy either!!

People have lots of probably strong opinions on the subject. My guess is that it probably depends on the age of the child and whether they can remember that the punishment they receive will influence the child's behavior in the future. So I guess if they are the right age and can "benefit" or recall in the future that "if I do A then I'm gonna get B" maybe it's useful, of course if it isn't a severe punishment.

Like I said, parents spanked a whole generation of us, and mostly what I learned was respect for my parents and to stay in line with my behavior. Some kids these days have children before their are emotionally ready to be parents, and sometimes the consequences are tragic. I've seen it here this week in NC where a father shook his BABY to death because the child wouldn't stop crying. It's what babies do.

So, for what it's worth, that's the opinion of someone who isn't a parent. A punishment to teach the child is one thing. A punishment because the parent "loses it" and punishes in anger or rage is another.  ^..^

like you I am not in a position to speak from experience either. A lot of us did get spanked (when it was not a politically incorrect thing to do) and most of us survived and were well disciplined.  I dont believe in slapping a child's face though...to me that would be humiliation and it is not a disciplinary action. I believe if you have to spank a child, spank his/her bottom.

I agree..you punish a child for discipline, not to vent your own rage or anger.

oh the memories that your comment have brought up.

LOL..my Mom used to pinch us in church if we got too fidgety or started whispering. That was the extent of her "punishments." Dad died when I was 27, but Mom turns 86 next month. Love both of the dearly and have no problems at all with the discipline we received. I respect my Mom so much as it must have been very exhausting trying to keep up with four kids all relatively near in age.

is it bad parenting or emotionally, behaviorly messed up kid?  I don't know.

We helped raise a couple of them that were sooo messed up, through no fault of their own, due to gentics or other factors beyond their control.

Wil was a mixd race baby, cute as all get out, and smart as a whip.  He was born a crack baby.  Certainly not his fault.  Had terrible problems up til he was 7-8-9,...his mother finally got her crap together, he is doing good in his young adulthood.

Tam came out of a rather shallow gene pool full of mental retardation, criminal behavior, sex abuse, behavioral difficulties, serious health issues, and a mother who would make any kid a complete nut case. We decided Wil had been minor league training for Tam.

Her uncontrollable behavior and mental issues made her childhood miserable...and ours, too....she was completely aweful and impossible, but we put up with her and loved her anyway.  Because, certainly nobody else did or would.

I don't even know why I started writing this, because I'm too tire to continue the story, especially in public.   We've been through a million years of dealing with tam and all her problems, but at age 28, she's finally growing up.

Maybe if I feel up for it tomorrow and you want to hear the story, I'll pm you about all the problems there.

 

sure...would love to hear the story if you're up to telling it.

I think most kids under very normal circumstances go through stages where they test their boundaries and see what they can and cant get away with.  Throwing tantrums is one that is almost second nature and toddlers will test this particular one because it is the difference between getting what they want and not getting what they want.  I think all kids do it...even those who are not messed up at all.  Should a parent be allowed to spank the child when the child is being a real brat?  I think in certain cases yes...in other cases no.  It's a matter of good judgement and common sense. 

I'm saving this notification.  Will try to write more on this topic tomorrow, when I'm not so tired.

have a good rest mamakat...take care.

I know exactly what you mean about your mother. I, too, have suffered at the hands of a woman who couldn't control her own emotions.

cherokee~  My parents were great.  I'm talking about niece Tam's mom.  She's a good person, but has some serious emotional problems, and should never have tried to be a mother.  Her other four older kids were all taken away from her.  The only reason Tam wasn't is because they lived with us, and we were able to take up a lot of the slack for her mother's problems and inadequacies.

I'm sorry you had such a tough childhood.  Sometimes those scars never really go away.  I am glad you have overcome all those old hurts and angers, and were able to provide a better life for your own kids.

so sorry to hear that Cheroke, as sad as it is I am hoping your own kids would not be going through the same thing. Sometimes people learn a lesson from what they experienced but other times the cycle of abuse is continued. It sounds as though you have ended the cycle.

What took her so long before doing the right thing ?????

It is such a controversial subject these days and there are people who totally believe you must not smack or hit a child under ANY circumstances. Moms are aware of this and they try really hard to control themselves from doing it in public because of the backlash they get from bystanders. Yes, there are some people who would actually approach a mom and berate her for smacking her child.

fog~  There are people out there who will call DCF on parents who give their kid a smack on the rear end out in public.  It happened to a friend of mine.  Trust me, you don't EVER want social services to get their nose in your personal family business.  It's a nightmare come true.  Here in Florida, and many other states, those people have more power than God.  Almost literally.  I've seen them remove children from the home for some pretty stupid reasons.

My daughter lost her children because social services got pulled into their lives. It's a tragedy that affects the children as well as the parents-no matter the cause of their involvement.

Yes, avoid getting social services involved in your family at ALL costs.  Most of those people have no common sense, and many of them are just evil people, in my opinion.

My niece Tam lost her kids for nearly a year in foster care, over something really stupid.  But DCF had it in for her, made her really jump through a lot of hoops and go through a lot to get them back.  Then her husband decided to come back to Florida, DCF got him to file for custody and they gave full custody of his two kids to him.  This guy is an abusive controller.  The kids hate him.  He didn't want to deal with the day to day of taking care of two small children, but they made a great weapon for controlling Tam.  So she went back to him to be with her kids and to protect them from him.  They had a few split-ups--she'd go to the domestic violence shelter for awhile, but every time, DCF and the court would hand custody right back to him. He really had those people snowed.

One day he went to pick up the kids from school.  He slapped the oldest girl (not his) right there in front of staff.  Of course, they immediately called DCF.  She got a new caseworker who finally saw his true colors...and went to bat for her in court.  She got full custody back and he wasn't even given visitation, in fact they said they didn't want him having contact with them.

  He started stalking her, tracked her down to two different DV shelters which are in secret locations (we found out later, he had installed a gps tracking device on her van.)  She took off for Virginia where she had a friend, I rode along to help her, then came home by train.  He found out where she was...right down to the motel and room number, and was on his way.  She loaded up the kids and took off driving several states away. 

She ended up in a strange place, a long ways from family and friends with three small children, an 8 y/o with major emotional and behavioral problems, a 5 y/o physically handicapped child, and a 2y/o still in diapers.  While waiting on housing to come through, she stayed in a homeless shelter for awhile, but it was a horrid situation.  She went out and bought a cheap tent and sleeping bags, and spent a month in a state campground in 115+ temperatures.  Met a guy at the campground who she's now with--he's good to her and the kids just love him. 

Two weeks ago, she started online courses to do the pre-reqs so she can start RN school next year.  So far she's running a 97.8 grade average. 

Finally...after all those years of misery with that slimeball, she's got some happiness in her life, and is pursuing her dream of being a nurse.  (Her husband wouldn't allow her to further her education)

This is a sad story Kat...and just think of the scars it's left on those children. :-(

Yes, it was very hard on the kids.  When they first went into foster care, she had to have supervised visitation at the Visitation Center.  I usually took her to the meetings.  I usually waited in the car.  When the transporters brought the kids, the oldest girl would just run to get in there to see her mommy.  When it was over, it took two people to carry her kicking and screaming out of the place.  I'd sit there and cry.  It was so heartbreaking to watch.  The younger girl was rather bewildered by the whole thing, but too young to really understand what was going on, and being sick a lot and somewhat physically disabled, she wasn't able to try to fight back. 

Don't even get me started on our DCF and local court system.  All are corrupt and doing so much stuff wrong.  I could tell several stories about them making stupid decisions on this stuff with people I personally know.

Her crime for getting the kids taken away?  She and her husband had come back to Florida.  They were staying with her mother.  Hubby got arrested on a bad check charge in another county.  Her mom was on Section 8 housing, and was only allowed to have guests for a certain period of time.  The time was well past and she could have lost her housing.  Tam was waiting for some money to get here, so she could find a place.  The money had not yet arrived.  She was floating around to different friend's houses for a night or two here, night or two there.  She was always keeping a roof over their heads.  It was a struggle, but she was managing.  Unfortunately DCF stepped in and took the kids, before the money finally arrived.  That was her crime...being homeless, even though she was taking care of them and keeping them sheltered. 

Thank you for sharing that story with us mamakat..it must be difficult to talk about but although it was a tragedy, I am so relieved to hear that this story had a happy ending. I admire her so much for her fortitude and I wish her and her family all the very best for a wonderful future. I think, with everything she has gone through, she will make a wonderful nurse because she will have compassion and patience and understanding...maybe even more so than anyone else.

You are a wonderful person for sticking with her and helping her as much as you could. She will never forget that...and neither will her kids.

I dont know why things happen the way the do, some people are blessed and some go through so much tragedy. It's a bewildering world, isnt it?

The homeless are still punished in this country, and they don't distinguish between the reasons one might find themselves in that situation. They are harassed by the police, shunned by holier than thous who, for some reason, feel threatened by them, and sometimes are shuffled off by the authorities to the next town or city so they become someone else's problem. It's really sad how the homeless and poor are treated in AMERICA. I guess that's for another post, but as the middle class continues to disappear, people are finding themselves in that situation for the first time and are beginning to see, understand, and have empathy for those in the same situation.

I was shocked to hear or read that many of those homeless are veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan....I cant think of anything more deplorable than that. Soldiers who put their lives on the line for their country are now homeless....that is unacceptable.{#basic-cry.gif}{#basic-cry.gif}

I hate to say it Maria, but I'm not surprised at all. It happened after Viet Nam, a war that ended many decades ago. We still have homeless VietNam war vets. It seems we applaude and cheer these servicemen and women while they are putting their lives on the line, but once they come home - we refuse to put the money into taking care of the mental, emotional, and phyisical needs of these brave people. Politicians throw them aside like yesterday's news and decide that our money is better spent on new wars etc. Disgusting and very sad.

I believe Jill Biden and Michelle Obama have been working really hard to rectify this situation. I dont know how much success they are having, the media doesnt like to report the good things that are being done for some reason.

That's true, but ask the right-wingers and they'll tell you how biased the media is to the left. I don't really see it. I do think Fox is biased right and MSNBC is biased left....CNN does a pretty good job of at least covering both sides.

It was a pretty rough few years we went through with her and all this mess.  So much more details that would take a book to tell about.  It was just pretty awful most of the time.  For her and the kids, and a lot of the time for us.  Had a couple of long stretches of time we couldn't see the kids.  Sometimes she'd sneak the older daughter to see us, because she was old enough not to say anything to daddy about it.

She's finally got some happiness in her life with a nice guy who treats her good...and bonus, the kids love him, too.  She still sometimes calls me when out shopping, amazed because she saw some little cheapie thing she wanted to buy...called the BF to ask permission...He said 'go ahead.  if you want it, get it.'  The slimeball would probably have grilled her to death about it and if it wasn't something he also wanted, he would have told her no.  Before she went back to him when he got custody of the kids, she took a Certified Nursing Assistant course and passed it with flying colors.  She went to work in a nursing home and really enjoyed it.  He made her quit.  She wanted to pursue a nursing degree, but he wouldn't allow it. 

Yes, I think she'll make an excellent pediatrics nurse.  Her younger daughter has a genetic muscle disease and has been sick a lot, in the hospital a lot...so she really has the empathy and understanding for sick kids and their families.

I am so happy for her. Put all that nasty experience behind and look to the future and all that is possible. Dwelling on what an a***hole the ex was is a waste of energy. It's time to relax and enjoy things being good now.{#friend.gif}{#floating.gif}

 actually heard the story on the Oprah show last year. She had Mrs Obama as a guest and they talked about the programmes she and Mrs Biden were setting up for the vets...it was very touching. There was a blind vet sitting in the audience, he was blinded by a roadside bomb in Iraq...the thrill he got when Mrs Obama walked out...he couldnt see her but he had the biggest smile on his face and you could sense his joy and excitement as he was clapping along with everyone else...it was a beautiful moment.

It doesnt matter about the media, as long as the work to give the vets a decent life instead of being homeless continues.....they deserve it.

ILC~ they say that the majority of families in this country are only a few paychecks ahead of homelessness.  An illness, accident or lay-off can throw them into that scenario rather quickly. 

If there are kids involved, social services are quick to grab the kids, put them into foster care, and if the parent's aren't able to recover quickly, put them up for adoption.   We have lots of homeless people living in tents in the woods around our semi-rural town.  If they have kids, they have to keep them hidden, because DCF is always on the lookout.  They'll use addresses of relatives or friends to register them in school.  Yes...it's a really sad mess.  The parents love and want to take care of their kids...but times are extremely tough.  They're doing the best they can.  But on top of that, they have to worry about DCF discovering they are homeless and taking their kids, maybe forever. But there is virtually no help available for them out there. 

I guess it's one of those 'Catch-22' kind of deals. 

Our 'safety net' doesn't work that well a lot of the time.

 

Maria~  He's still harrassing her and causing her problems.  Long story, he hacked into her facebook account, made some threats.

I realized I hadn't posted anything in about a month, haven't even made that many comments to friend's posts.  Been distracted with a lot of stuff.  But hope to put some kind of post together in the next day or two, update everybody on what's been going on in my life, and also some of what's happening with niece.

oh really? goodness mamakat, I didnt realize that....cant she get some kind of protective order against him? What a shame.

Just take your time and get yourself sorted out, that's the main thing. It is not good to be under so much stress all the time...I found that out the hard way. Look forward to reading your post...take care and have a good weekend mamakat.

After he broke into her facebook, she went to the courthouse and got a new Restraining order against him.  She express mailed it to our local police here to have it served on him.  But he has totally ignored them in the past...so who knows.  She's over a thousand miles away, so hopefully he won't do anything stupid. 

I've lived most of my life in the severe stress zone....

I'll try to get a post up in the next couple of days or so.

My generation was spanked and spanked their kids--looking at these 2 generations would you say it was a bad or good thing??? (Watch it--most of us are seniors and you don't fool with seniors LOL)

By the way you know a lot will read the blog thinking the subject sentence was going to be a little more 'interesting'!!!!

I was spanked and I turned out okay...I think...lol.  My thoughts on this subject is...there's no right or wrong answer. In this particular situation, one whack on the bum would not damage this child for life I dont think...on the other hand, whacking a child for no good reason is a big no-no in my book as well. It has to depend on individual circumstances. There's a big difference between abuse and discipline and as long as parents know where the line that musnt be crossed is...there need not be a problem.

Whenever this subject comes up I remember many years ago on a cold day in NYC when a mother yelled at her kid, "If you didn'i have so many clothes on I would spank you!"

lol...padding is handy for a naughty kid.

"By the way you know a lot will read the blog thinking the subject sentence was going to be a little more 'interesting'!!!!"

oops, didnt think of that...but that would be an interesting subject for next time...lol.

By the way you know a lot will read the blog thinking the subject sentence was going to be a little more 'interesting'!!!!

I read this last night, but guess I was too tired and didn't "get it."  Just reading over some of the comments today, and LOL....got it this time :-)

Some people get 'slow' as they age--I know--at 19 I'm slowing down!!! LOL

I think he was talking about naughty adult spanking myself...hehehe

LOL @ Martin...getting old...ME, not you!

I feel sorry for flustered Moms in that situation, but I also feel sorry for little kids dragged around a mall and expected to behave like adults.  My solution - don't take them shopping. 

unfortunately I am sure there are times when moms have to take their kids with them shopping. I felt sorry for her too and in this case I thought she did the only thing she could and I'm sure it wasnt that hard that the child was damaged in any way.

I'm sure the child wasn't traumatized for life either. But in answer to your question, I'm not a proponent of spanking and as far as the mall scene, I do think it was time to take the kids home and keep them there until they're old enough to act human before unleashing them on the public.   An adult responding to an out-of-control child at the mall with physical punishment is out-of-control to me. 

oh okay, fair enough.

Yes I think it is alright to spank your child. You have to correct them, other wise they would be running all over you, later when they were older. I don't mean, abuse them. I never had to spank my children, but when they were toddlers, I would tap their hands and say no, don't do that or don't touch that. Pretty soon they will learn what they shouldn't do. I think you have to start out while they are young teaching them right from wrong. My children always knew I loved them to.

That's the key Allie....kids have to know that being disciplined does not mean mom or dad dont love them. I think it's okay as a last resort...say for instance a child gets told three, four or five times not to do something and continues to disobey...giving them a swift whack on the behind will get the message across...I think that's okay.

The Bible teaches spanking. But, they need to be disciplined more at home so they have manners in public. Today a person could be accused of abuse. A quick swat to the seat of learning is better than 10 Timeouts.

I agree with that...lol....time-outs dont worry all the time....my girlfriend's kids think nothing of it so it doesnt work with them...lol. A stinging whack on the butt does though.

See how many comments you received for such a little question.

It's an emotive issue...many people dont believe in it these days and many things are considered child abuse.  I heard tell of one kid who was spanked by his dad and he turned around and told his dad he will sue him for assault....that's how crazy things have gotten since it became an issue.

spank that bum, hard! 1 ought to do it if you mean it. I have 3 kids, the youngest is 22,he never needed spanking until he was about 18, lol. The oldest got a few, not as much at home but when we were out. At a restaurant if he acted  up I would tell him 1 time to knock it off and if he continued I would take him out to the car and give him a few, he learned real quick to knock it off. At home is different than being out in public. At home I would sit him in his room, he hated being alone and it would take about 10 minutes and he would come out telling me he would be good, and he would. My daughter was the opposite, she loved being alone in her room, so i would take her chair to the living room and make her sit still in it, that took about 10 minutes as well. The youngest all I ever had to do was start counting, before i could get to 3 he was straightened up. It was always more difficult being out. But really by the time they would hit about 5 none of them acted up to much in public. Honestly, I never really had to do all that much spanking, but if it came to that point, I certainly would, no problem....

I think it's pretty much the general view across the board. There's pros and cons to every issue but each should be judged on it's own merit.  If you smack a child's bum because he needed to be smacked, it should be done. If you smack a child because you get some kinky thrill or "get off" on it, you need to be locked up and they key thrown away.  Any normal parent who loves their children (and most do) would not purposely smack their child for no reason. 

At the end of the day, as long as your child is completely confident that he/she is loved more than anything, controlled discipline is okay.

exactly

bet you got spanked a few times, hey Charlie?...lol.

and I dont mean by some kinky bird either...lol.

by mom, never by my dad

lol, mom wasn't kniky as far as I know, lmao

I should hope not Charlie.....lol.

then again, you never know.......{#basic-mouth-shut.gif}

In this circumstance, I would have to say spanking that hinder would be appropriate.  If the child refuses to obey all commands, this is sometimes necessary.  I think the Mom did well with a good one-timer.  I am not for beating the kid senseless, but sometimes a swift spanking on the backside is in order if all else fails.

I agree Nic...as long as it's on the bum and the child is not hit anywhere else..I dont think it would do any harm. Sometimes moms just get so frazzled they dont know what else to do. This mom was quite young and she had a little baby to contend with as well.

yep, I totally agree

I was spanked ( I called it a beating) I spanked my children and have on ocaccion spanked a my grandchildren. You can be arrested in the U.S for spaking a child in public, it's now called child abuse.

That's unfortunate Okie, yes some child beatings can be classified as child abuse and people who do it should be locked up and throw away the key. But smacking a child on the behind for being unacceptably naughty is a whole different kettle of fish.  People just need to use their common sense.

Agree:)

YES!  the little booger deserved a good spanking....and will benefit from it in the long run.  I agree with okie.

me too Bev....I can just imagine what he'd be like at home.  I wonder at what point these little ''boogers'' determine they can get away with unacceptable behaviour. I cant imagine such a thing because my parents were very strict and we just never thought about being naughty....we didnt like to think about what would happen if we were.

Exactly!  The threat of a spanking kept my brothers and me in line...or behaving better than we would have without the knowledge of what was waiting for us if we got out of line.  Everyone I knew got spankings when I was growing up!! 

I felt sorry for the Mom. I spanked my children & they have all turned out good, productive adults. There is a difference in spanking & abuse as there are differences in circumstances. You just have to know what action to take when disobedience is a problem-as long as it is not abusive.

Exactly!!!  I agree completely Cheroke, thanks for your input.

Yet again, I stumbled upon this post somehow....dunno how I got back to this site...LOL. I wanted tuh make one small, tiny comment that I absolutely could NOT resist, an' then I'm gone. Yeah, it's that good. I wanted tuh say:

"If your child acts up, do not spank him or her; spank yourself for having a child [whom acts up].''

LOL! {#saythat.gif}

Hey Sean!!!...whatever brought you here, it's great to see you!!!

lol....love it...yes, give yourself a good smacking for having a right proper little so and so for a child....lol.

You should visit now and again....your friends will always enjoy seeing you even if it's only once in a while.

Glad you're having a good time.

So I am all for spanking little kids.  I think they can learn a lesson from it but after a certain are I think it is pointless.  On the same page though, I do not think it is appropriate in public.  I was taught that you remove the child from say the restaurant to the restroom and do it there so not to subject everyone else to it.  

I was in Micheal's the other day(art and craft store)and this woman was screaming at her kid, not just creaming but screaming, "I am gonna beat your ass." I swear to GOD of she screamed it one more time I was gonna beat her ass! I abhor adults using foul language in public places. I love free speech but there is s such thing as manners. Yes, yes you all know I use those words! In fact I use them often and I use them in the company of my friends, in my home and in their is they also use that language.  The point is It was inappropriate and rude. Heck, to me hearing her conversation was rude. 

 

Not to mention threatening the kid?  You do not threaten.  You tell them ONCE then do it. 

Creaming....lol...think I will leave it.  I have been up all night writing content so I have an excuse for poor grammar and spelling!

you sound very tired....lol.  I dont believe in beating a child in public..verbally or physically. But a quick smack on the bottom for unacceptable behaviour is okay.

LOL beating is a lot different than spanking :)

I don't agree with spanking. There are always better approaches for adults to use with children. Mostly it is done out of frustration, and that is not a time to be acting with force. And it offers kids a really poor modeling example about how to handle frustration and anger.

Most people dont really like even the idea of spanking a child, but sometimes when they reach the end of their tether, they just resort to what works at that particular moment. You're right, it's down out of frustration so it's not the right time to do it..but I feel sorry for some moms who just get too frazzled sometimes.

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