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Better to Have Never Been

Added: Friday, October 30th 2020 at 7:31am by Troll2016
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Antinatalism is a philosophical position that assigns a negative value to birth. Antinatalists argue that humans should abstain from procreation because it is morally reprehensible. Some recognize the procreation of other sentient beings as morally bad and that extends to a philosophy known as efilism, which is an attitude that we as humans should eradicate ourselves.

The ultimate goal of antinatalism is to reduce and extinguish suffering. By abstaining from procreation, you prevent the conception of another human being who will suffer due to many issues that will be outside of their control, ranging from disease to poverty to simply a general disdain for life or society. Whatever the case may be, it is not ethical to reproduce as you cannot receive the consent of those who are born, people who have not been born have no desire for life in the first place, and there is no way to know if the person who is born will enjoy their life.

Antinatalism is not the same as promortalism, or the philosophical position that it is always best to die as soon as possible. Antinatalism is against the idea of creating new life, not ending existing life, as existing life can make its own decisions as to whether it wants to continue living while nonexistent life has no desires and does not want life nor can it consent to it. Antinatalists do not believe in ending the lives of others to prevent future suffering as it is the choice of those who are alive to make that decision and choose to risk potential suffering, a decision that nonexistent life cannot make. Antinatalists do not desire to “save” people from suffering if they can make that decision for themselves. Some antinatalists can also be promortalists, but they are not necessarily linked together.

Antinatalism is not the same as promortalism, or the philosophical position that it is always best to die as soon as possible. Antinatalism is against the idea of creating new life, not ending existing life, as existing life can make its own decisions as to whether it wants to continue living while nonexistent life has no desires and does not want life nor can it consent to it. Antinatalists do not believe in ending the lives of others to prevent future suffering as it is the choice of those who are alive to make that decision and choose to risk potential suffering, a decision that nonexistent life cannot make. Antinatalists do not desire to “save” people from suffering if they can make that decision for themselves. Some antinatalists can also be promortalists, but they are not necessarily linked together.

For the content of this blog suffering is defined as any experience that a person would find undesirable, regardless of its severity. It can come in many forms, such as discomfort, stress, boredom, and other negative feelings or through personal and general circumstances, such as poverty, grief, emotional duress, political turbulence, etc.

Arguments:

A. Unborn people don't care about pleasure. Therefore, there is no reason to reproduce since the unborn person does not even desire life.

B. Creating a life that might be positive overall or might not be is not your risk to take since someone else is suffering the consequences and you never received consent.

C. Birthing people means they will need to work someday (via school, a job, emotional labor, paying taxes, etc.). There is no way around it without suffering, so they are essentially forced into a social contract without consent.

D. There are already people who need to be adopted and cared for. It is unethical to create more people while there are still others who are suffering and need help.

F. More people means more evil people in existence who will cause harm to the rest (including towards animals). While there can be good people, there is no guarantee that the deeds of the good people will outweigh the deeds of the evil people. For example, many dictators and authoritarians in charge of countries around the world now and are usually backed by powerful forces, such as corporations, other powerful countries like the U.S., and militaries. Since there is no way to ensure that well-intentioned people and representative governments can take control or stay in control, it is unethical to have children. This also extends to other situations, suchas the net effects of criminals vs. people who help crime victims or prevent crime, corporate misdeeds vs. those who combat it, corruption vs. political activists, etc.

 

 

G. Loving life comes with a fear of losing it and a fear of death. Since there is no way to completely avoid those scenarios, no one can be truly happy knowing it can and will all be lost.

H. Unborn people don't have needs, so there is no argument in support of producing more people that is not in service of others.

I. Even if one's children are happy, their children might not be or their children's children could suffer. Ultimately, the blame for all of those children's suffering lie with the original parents.

J. Societal structures have a massive amount of control over people's lives, such as official institutions like the government and corporations or cultural ones like racism. Since all of these factors are out of one's control and can cause suffering either directly (e.g. surveillance/privacy invasion, crime, unjust laws, legal barriers, social pressure and judgement, etc.) or indirectly (e.g. incompetence, mistakes, lack of protections for oppressed groups or workers and social welfare programs, etc.), bringing new people to suffer because of them is unethical.

K. People have needs that require the exploitation and consumption of others or natural resources, such as consuming animals, needing others to perform labor to support you, taking up resources someone else could have used, etc.

L. Climate change is making natural disasters more common, depleting resources, flooding land, and will lead to significant migrant crises. It is unethical to bring more people into a world that is going to become ecologically devastated. Having children is also the worst action one can take to increase carbon emissions by far.

M.  Having enough resources to care for someone cannot prevent suffering no matter what. Since a person never consented to how much or what forms of suffering are “acceptable” and never wanted to take the trade-off of suffering in exchange for pleasure in the first place as nonexistent people have no desires, it is unethical to reproduce.

N. A person who is born may be discriminated against due to traits they can’t control (e.g. race, sexulaity, gender, appearance, etc.). They never agreed to risk this possibility, making reproduction unethical.

O. The world is unstable, so it is unethical to reproduce even if conditions are currently good as that can significantly change in a short amount of time (e.g. the COVID-19 pandemic, depressions and recessions, personal tragedy, accidents, or mistakes, etc.).

P. People who are born will need to take care of themselves through diet, exercise, staying healthy, maintaining financial security, fulfilling oneself emotionally, etc. These tasks are often difficult to do, especially if time and resources are limited or if a person does not or is unable to develop the skills necessary to live a good life. This creates burdens and issues for them that they never consented to taking and would not have to deal with if they were never born. Since it is not the choice of the parents to decide this for them as they are not the ones who will have to fulfill these responsibilities, it is not ethical to reproduce and force these obligations onto someone.

User Comments

No one responded to this yet. What the fuck.

Fine.

Do you personally find that others generally are rather lacking in knowledge of how best to raise children? So that said children become the most astute, most-aptitudes-bearing adults?

I think it's lacking in knowledge when someone even thinks about having children. Lacking in knowledge, selfish, what have you.

What's to be done with the persons already existing?

Well stop telling people it's some kind of blessing to breed, the world is overflowing with little miracles/starving millions/consumers. 

I take the VHEMT stance: May we live long and die out. I don't condone murder. Nothing we can do about the people who are already here, but we can stop those that don't exist yet from coming into existence.

I'd be happy with that, there's also as you pointed out a big list of cruelties in bringing in new life. 

i agree generally, while I don't advocate for no new births, I do think that there are far too many born every day...we need to cut back by about 75-85 percent at least.

I advocate for no new births. We've done enough damage and the only thing that can undo what we have done is an extinction event. This world doesn't need us.

I know you do....I just don't go quite as far as you do...but I do see your point.  i just don't want humanity to TOTALLY disappear.

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