usa it's one mt.supply rule since Bush!!Eu's too socialist.

"In some parts of the country, officials are restricting patients to 28 days’ supply of drugs instead of the usual 56."

"according to the preamble of the Constitution, we SHOULD have free health care"

LOL- you're funny Charlie. Please show me where you THINK it says this

I'll give you a hand

There are hyperlinks in the above linked article to help you with the translation

yep, it's loud and clear, it says "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

see that little part there that says promote the general wefare, that would be it. Our health is the general welfare of this country.

lol, i don't need those links, I can read. You see, I love a site with the Constitution that is promoteing Ron Paul, thats awesome, lmao...but in your little hyper link section it even says "Welfare

welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being."

see right there where it says "well being". Come on Leslie, you wanna fight everything, trust me, if they gave us free health care with well care, there would be a lot less sickness in this country too. That right there would lesson the burden on the entire system. I know you are smart enough to follow this thru in your mind and see the truth on this, we woudn't be as sick as older people either. it would do awaya with meidcare completely, and medicaide too. Thos snot nosed kids in school whos parents can't afford health care would be able to go to a doctor and maybe your grand kids wouldn't get as sick from them as they will right now. General welfare of the people, comeon, what else does it mean.

yeah, show me where it says you can say what ever yu feel like Joe, I'm guessing your gonna tell me the first amentment, but your wrong, that was put in there so all of us could speak out against our government and not fear reprisal. Theres nothing there that says you can treat people like shit cause you fell like it.

to be fair, the ads at the top rotate and i see an Omama ad now so scratch the Ron Paul thing. The thing is, it's there and it needs to be done. it's to your and your kids and your grand kids benefit, it's to the entire countries benefit. 

Charlie, If that's what the authors of the Constitution meant, why, in 235 years have we never had "free healthcare"?? (FREE? LMAO at that one, trust me, you're gonna pay) Seriously, you would think that if that's what they meant, they would have established a "free healthcare" system right after they wrote the preamble. lololol

What is Omama?

Lelie, everyday some one is trying to figure put exactly what the founding fathers wanted, but you can take this to the bank, those men were not conservatives or we would have had a king. They were progressives in the truest sense of the word. So, you tell me what they meant.

some one switched my "m" key and my "b" key, is this something you couldn't have figured out on your own? Now spelling counts?

no, it doesn't give you the right to say hateful hurtful things to people, it just doesn't, or why else would the be libel and defamation laws? Your wrong again Joe.

"promote the general wefare" Promote, not provide

No, I thought it was some right wing parody or something- I wasn't sure what you meant, lol

whats your point? My dads a free mason too.........................

no one said that. But healthcare IS important and there should be basic at least, availible to eveyone for free.

thats bullshit. 

what would preventative medicine be Leslie Splitter of Words??

nope, missed the key and didn't proof read it......

yeah, what do you know about it Joe? Not only is he a Mason he's also a Shriner, so was my GrandFather who i might add was a much better man than you will ever be Joe.

You know, I'm much too busy today than to take time to play in the sandbox with you Joe.

lmao, well after I proof read my script one more time, we'll have it entered in the screen writter contest this afternoon, yeah my 2 min of fame are still coming Joey, lmao. You really are so pathetic at times. Leter, i don't have time today to play with you.

lmao, is that all? My grandpa was a Potentate, yur a looser

Joe, you always sound as if your speaking from experiance.....

now I know your speaking from experiance..........

"no one said that. But healthcare IS important and there should be basic at least, availible to eveyone for free."

Problem is Charlie, it's not FREE. Someone has to pay for it. And since the governnment does not create wealth or generate income, the money comes from our pockets. Those that don't use it have to pay for those that abuse it, and that is not a GOOD system.

Great response and well put livlyred1!

"promote the general wefare" Promote, not provide

what would preventative medicine be Leslie Splitter of Words??

Words have specific meanings, not whatever you want them to mean.

   /prəˈmoʊt/ Show Spelled[pruh-moht] Show IPA

–verb (used with object), -mot·ed, -mot·ing.

1.

to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further: to promote world peace.

2.

to advance in rank, dignity, position, etc. ( opposed to demote).

3.

Education . to put ahead to the next higher stage or grade of a course or series of classes.

4.

to aid in organizing (business undertakings).

5.

to encourage the sales, acceptance, etc., of (a product), especially through advertising or other publicity.

6.

Informal . to obtain (something) by cunning or trickery; wangle.

pro·vide  (pr -v d )

v. pro·vid·ed, pro·vid·ing, pro·vides

v.tr.

1. To furnish; supply: provide food and shelter for a family.

2. To make available; afford: a room that provides ample sunlight through French windows.

3. To set down as a stipulation: an agreement that provides deadlines for completion of the work.

4. Archaic To make ready ahead of time; prepare.

v.intr.

1. To take measures in preparation: provided for the common defense of the states in time of war.

2. To supply means of subsistence: She provides for her family by working in a hospital.

3. To make a stipulation or condition: The Constitution provides for a bicameral legislature.

Two different meanings, two different words. You can't twist them in to meaning what you want them to mean. The constitution is specific in it's language, and the language of the time. There's not a whole lot left to interpretation if you just read the words.

see, it the shelfish attitudes that cause this problem. I would much rather spend 3 trillion dollars feeding houseing and taking care of the people who have been effected by this depression we're having than to fight a god damn useless war in some god forsaken desert somewhere over oil. I'm outta the conversation, you guys all think no further than your own faces, to hell with those that really need it. You want to help small business? Take helath care out of their budget and put it where it belongs, with the federal government. Whos job it is to promote the general welfare of the people.

look, the government does have a revenue system, it's called taxes, like EVERY government in history has had. It's where you spend the taxes that makes a difference. You all can continue, this is a worthless waste of my time to continue, it's obvious that we have different ideas on whats important, and I choose people over the rich, the corporations, wars, oil, all of it. This country is nothing with out it's people. No need to answer, I'm done here. There's no way to change a stubborn mnd, you have to do that yourself.

Free = zero charles! Really now how absurb!

yep, free

FREE ,Equals ZERO HELP,that clearer?

well since you can't be clear as to what your trying to say, maybe you could try again. Yes, I am for single payer universal health care, do you have a better idea?

//than to fight a god damn useless war in some god forsaken desert somewhere over oil.//

I agree! Tell that to President Obama, who has stepped into a THIRD war. And get over Iraq was for oil! Where's the frickin' oil? I don't see where we stockpiled a bunch of Iraqi oil. Whatever it was about, it wasn't oil. Otherwise we wouldn't be paying over $4/gallon

lol, for someone who stays on top of things as wellas you do I'm surprised you even think that OPEC has anything to do with the rise in gas prices, thats Americans sittin gin their offices in Chicago, new York LA, and speculating the futures markets. Obama was talking about that the other day, My brother told me 2 years ago, oh yeah, my brother is the President of an oil company, small but profitable. I'd like to know where the 9 billion dollars in American money disapeered to over there as well.

Late to the party, as usual.  But take heart, Charlie.  Simon has invested half of his 401k holdings in oil.  That way, when we groan at the pump, we smile at our increasing retirement funds.

"Corporations" are not the enemy.  Corporations provide JOBS (and paychecks) to millions and millions of Americans.  Corporations are comprised of PEOPLE, they aren't souless machines.

Politicians are the enemy of prosperity.  We have the separation of Church and State.  We need to take that a step further, and have a separation of Economy from State.

all I saw, 15-20 of them, lmao. have you ever thought of using anything that wasn't so biased??

Well, there were only 11. And none of them are as illmannered and uneducated as the "Vile Lefties" I posted about earlier.

amr632 says:

Oh, but that could never happen in the US, r-i-i-ight.

If gubbmint REALLY wanted to cut the cost of quality health care and increase the supply it would start on the front end, by giving grants to offset the cost of a medical education to med school GRADUATES who achieve a certain GPA. Gubbmint could require schools to achieve higher scores and broader participation in advanced math and science at the high school level. Gubbmint could allow the marketplace to set rates rather then the artificial constructs of Medicare and Medicaid. Gubbmint could stop taxing for-profit hospitals and clinics at a high rate.

Or it could just get the hell out of the way.

Expect Progs to place limits on all life-saving pills while giving waivers for birth control pills and abortion pills and Viagra.

Floyd’s Pink Progs: How can they have their sex if they can’t abort their babies?

OSC said “Gubbmint could require schools to achieve higher scores and broader participation in advanced math and science at the high school level.”

And then the schools would inflate grades to meet the requirements. I have little faith in either the gubbmint or the school systems.

If you like the uh, doctor and uh, coverage you have you can keep the uh, doctor and uh coverage you have.

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012′
(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)
-It’s never too early to campaign-

The company who I retired from provides my drug plan which features a co-pay requirement. The plan selected has partnered with a nationwide super/duper drug store chain/ pharmacy to offer a reduced price advantage!
I found a local privately owned drug store was able to fill my prescriptions at a lower cost than the nationwide super/duper chain store did.
The drug plan provider sent me a letter requesting as to why I did not make use of the nationwide super/duper chain store for my required medications …..I dutifully replied with the reason being in my case , they were not the most cost effective.

This year`s revised plan still feature`s allowing me to shop for a price advantage locally but……….After a first prescription for a given medication is filled locally, subsequent refills will not feature a co-pay thus eliminating the price advantage unless I then utilize the nationwide super/duper chain store they contract with.

You gotta love the tenacity of Bureaucrats who would willingly in the final analysis require you & ultimately themselves to pay more for a product in order to make it appear to be cost -effective. Stupid is as stupid does I guess.

Ah, but amr, it already is. I have a 90 day prescription for a certain medication. When I went to fill it, I was told I can only fill 30 days at a time due to a national shortage of said medication. So instead of one $10 copay for 90 days, I’ll be paying $30 for 3 separate 30 day prescriptions.

Dudley1

Not so difficult to understand. The key word is “partnered”. The insurance company has more or less guaranteed that all their clients will buy drugs from this company. It’s a win-win for both of them. The insurance company gets reduced rates and the pharmecuticle company gets more customers. The only loser is you when you try to buck their system. You are going on the assumption that either one of these companies has your best interest atheart.

Don,

How much is 7.40 lbs in American money? I doubt it is anywhere near the $646 I have to pay for insulin for 3 months after I have reached the gap in Part D. And I reach that gap in June of every year. Really, my heart bleeds for these people. Of course, paying those exhorbitant prices beats the heck out of not getting them at all which will probably be our fate if obama has his way.

Becbeq

I have been told that the prices on several of my prescriptions have been raised by the company that make them and Sam’s cannot sell them at $10 for three months any longer. For instance potassium is now four times what I used to pay…$43.08 for three months. I want to take this opportunity to thank obama for all this. It is always so helpful when the government steps in to make your life better

Hmmm, I don't see il-mannered or uneducated. Words have meaning, Charlie, you should use them wisely.

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012′
(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)
-It’s never too early to campaign-

Floyd’s Pink Progs: How can they have their sex if they can’t abort their babies?

Expect Progs to place limits on all life-saving pills while giving waivers for birth control pills and abortion pills and Viagra.

ok so there wasnt 10 of them, big deal, you sure are fricking getting overly picky here, you feeling ok??? Your never this picky. Just be assured, the founding fathers would be all for universal single payer health care, cause thats what kind of men they were.

oh yeah, I forgot how old you are, you were probably there as they discussed what they were writing, right? Why would free health care make any one a slave to the government? nah, i bet you I'm waaaaay closer to what they wanted than you will ever be buddy. See, they were great men, not assholes.

have a nice day joey, may God bless your pointed little head.

thats Joe, i delete him all the time, get used to it, oh by the way, he's one of "you guys", lmao

I don't think Joe is a Libertarian. I could pretty much guess he's not pro-choice (as repulsive as abortion-as-birth-control is), pro-legalizing marijuana, pro gay marriage. The one thing we have in common is a belief in the Constitution of the United States and the limited role of government it outlines.

And as soon as I shoot down your Promote vs Provide argument, you quit? You can't argue on the merits if your argument so you go back to what YOU want? What YOU would rather? And we are the ones who are selfish? Didn't you once tell me that you don't pay taxes? Why shouldn't those of us who do have a say about how they're spent?

nope, it's fundamental human right. You won't change my mind, I don't mind my taxes paying for it, i think in the long run we as a people will be healthier and there fore the costs will go down, and maybe just maybe we can finally stop this rape on us by the insurance companies and the pharma companies. BUT, until all you people see the benifits of doing that I'm afraid it's a lost cause, go with that repuke budget, it will pertty much wipe out medicare and medicade, that ought to make you happy yur tax bucks aren't being spent that way. The only side effect will be old people eating dagfood again cause they can't afford food and health care. But thats not YOUR worry, the strong survive,right? As long as YOUR tax dollars don't go to help people your going to be fine. You know, i get so tired of your right wing group trying to makeup what the constitution means, to have it fit your agenda. When it's plain to see exactly what they meant.

“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.” - George Washington.

if that isn't a progressive statement then I've never seen one. You see, those men were progressives, not conservatives. When are the knuckle heads on the right going to get it? It's all about the people, thats it, the people. Yeah I'm out of this discussion, you don't get it, you won't get it, you cant get it. Because your to worried about YOUR tax dollars...........

The liberals, of course.