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We won and the gays lost! Will keep the current ban on gay blood.

Added: Saturday, June 12th 2010 at 2:40pm by feralpuppies
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Dear Friend of America’s Survival, Inc.:

We won and the gays lost!  A federal blood committee voted Friday 9-6 to keep the current ban on gay blood. We provided testimony to keep the ban. Thanks to all of you who called or emailed the authorities in support of our efforts. They received hundreds of emails!

Click here (PDF) for our testimony.

Here’s the key paragraph from the following Washington Times story:

The panel’s nonbinding recommendations will be brought to another panel led by Dr. Howard Koh, HHS assistant secretary of health. HHS recommendations will then go through the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) regulatory process, said Jerry Holmberg, executive secretary for the panel.

In other words, we won the battle, but the war is not over. We must be vigilant.

Here’s the complete story about what happened from the Washington Times.
By Cheryl Wetzstein
Friday

Following two days of testimony, a federal panel Friday voted against recommending changes to ease the current blood donation restrictions for gay men, saying more research was needed to help “create a road map forward” for future change.

By a 9-6 vote, members of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Advisory Committee on Blood Safety and Availability agreed to continue the current donor policy which rejects blood donations from any man who has had sex with another man — a category know as "MSM" — even once in the past 33 years.

Gay rights groups and others say the 25-year-old policy is needlessly discriminatory, and the American Red Cross and other blood-collecting groups support a shorter deferral policy, down to as little as 12 months. But blood-user groups lobbied to keep the current policy, saying further research is needed.

The panel’s nonbinding recommendations will be brought to another panel led by Dr. Howard Koh, HHS assistant secretary of health. HHS recommendations will then go through the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) regulatory process, said Jerry Holmberg, executive secretary for the panel.

It’s up to the FDA to make appropriate guidelines on blood safety, Mr. Holmberg said, adding, “We can’t give you a timeline” for when anything will happen.

In its written recommendations, the panel agreed that the current deferral policies for MSM donors are “suboptimal,” but current research cannot support change to a specific alternative policy. “Therefore, without further evaluation, the committee recommends that the current policy  not be changed at the present time.”

The panel then suggested numerous research projects to “create a road map forward,” as one panelist called it.

These included suggestions to study how blood-donor questionnaires might be changed to distinguish low-risk MSM donors and heterosexuals from high-risk ones, and what would happen if donors were pre-screened with a small blood test before they donated blood for human use.

The panel also said it needed to explore what would happen in the massive worldwide distribution of U.S. blood products if the U.S. authorities changed their MSM donor standards. Many countries also ban such donations, raising questions about whether they would accept American blood donations.

Before the vote, Nathan Schaefer of the Gay Men’s Health Crisis (GMHC) urged the panel to end what he called the “very blunt instrument of a total lifetime ban” for gay male blood donors. There is a subset of gay and bisexual men who could be safely admitted into the donor pool, said Sean Cahill, another leader of the New York City-based GMHC.

But donor-deferral policies “are not judgments about the individual donor,” said Mark Skinner, spokesman for the American Plasma Users Coalition, which represents 10 organizations for people who use life-saving blood products.

The policies are intended to reduce the risk of known and unknown infections that could be passed to blood recipients, said Mr. Skinner. The issue of emerging pathogens is real, he added. “We don’t know what the next HIV will be.”

In the often-impassioned public comment period, spokesmen for the AIDS Institute, the Foundation for AIDS Research and AABB, which represents American blood banks, called for a change in the MSM policy, such as shortening the deferral period for MSM donors to a year after their last homosexual experience.

“I just want to put a human face” on the issue, said Lee Storrow, a university student who said that, although he once gave blood regularly, he is now permanently deferred because he is gay and has had sex.

Richard Vogel, past president of the Hemophilia Association of New Jersey, offered a “face” of those with the blood-clotting disease. “I’m not the man I would have been if I had not tested positive for AIDS in 1982,” said Mr. Vogel, who became infected with AIDS through a blood transfusion.

This is the key: Dr. Margaret Hamburg, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), with jurisdiction over the blood supply, is a political appointee of the Obama Administration.

Once again, as we have seen in the gays in the military debate, the gays are constantly screaming about their rights, oblivious to the point of madness about the rights of others. In this case, it’s our right to be free of infected blood when our loved ones get a blood transfusion. By a 9-6 vote, members of this federal blood committee voted for our rights.

We won this round!!! Thank you.

But there are other battles to come.

Can I count on you?  Please consider a donation to America’s Survival, Inc. at this time.

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About.com Health's Disease and Condition content is reviewed by the Medical Review Board

The history of HIV is filled with triumphs and failures; living and death. The HIV time line stretches before us, marking our past and reaching toward our future. But where will that future lead? What does the history of HIV show us? What have we learned throughout the history of HIV?

The HIV time line began early in 1981. In July of that year, the New York Times reported an outbreak of a rare form of cancer among gay men in New York and California. This "gay cancer" as it was called at the time was later identified as Kaposi's Sarcoma, a disease that later became the face of HIV/AIDS. About the same time, emergency rooms in New York City began to see a rash of seemingly healthy young men presenting with fevers, flu-like symptoms, and a rare pneumonia called Pneumocystis. This was the beginning of what has become the biggest health care concern in modern history. Twenty-five years later the disease still plagues society. How did we get to this point? Take a look back at 25 years of HIV/AIDS.

Understanding Kaposi's Sarcoma

A Guide to Pneumocystis

1959

While we talk about HIV/AIDS being 25 years old, in actuality it is believed that the syndrome has been around far longer. In 1959, a man residing in Africa died of a mysterious illness. Only decades later, after examining some blood samples taken from that man, was it confirmed that he actually died from complications related to an HIV infection.

Where Did HIV Come From?

1981

As stated above, 1981 saw the emergence of Kaposi's Sarcoma and Pneumocystis among gay men in New York and California. When the Centers for Disease Control reported the new outbreak they called it "GRID" (gay-related immune deficiency), stigmatizing the gay community as carriers of this deadly disease. However, cases started to be seen in heterosexuals, drug addicts, and people who received blood transfusions, proving the the syndrome knew no boundaries.

 

User Comments

What's the point of this battle? I mean, the only people "losing" are those who could have used the blood.

Exactly...

I do think the battle is ridiculous.  There should be no battle at all.  though I do think it is an added safety precaution to not include high risk groups in the blood supply.

who's "we", anyways? Are homosexuals any less human than a heterosexual? This kinda shit makes me sick to my stomach, coming from a man who preaches God all the time.............

You're replying to my post, apparently, so I have to ask what on earth you're talking about. Is this directed at me, or FP?

 Feral Puppies. I just can't figure out why the gays are segregated as less than humans, as in a "we" against "them".

Yep  ,, QUEERS are subhuman beings ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

ok coward. Maybe it's your type that are subhuman. Where's your Jesus, did you forget him today?

I am guessing here but i think the coward is probably someone posting here who has his panties in a knot :)  Hint he does not support gays having equal rights :)

I'm thinking he also has a few of his short hairs being tugged at the same time.

I think we are thinking of the same guy with the teeny tiny tool

he's a tool alright, not really sure if he even has one!

Charlie,

That was only in the article concerning using blood for transfusions that still may be dangerous. The Gays wanted it, the sraights didn't. They won the dispute, for now, but it isn't settled. The Gays are people with a lifestyle not acceptable by many people. Straights have their lifestyles also that aren't acceptable. We are all Human, but we make different choices. Some people think, if it feels good, do it. Others believe in the rules dictated by our Creator in the Bible.

it isn't about us against them. We're all people. How about the drug addicts? Where are they? As for Gods rules, there are ten, the rest are made up by man, and gays aren't mentioned in those ten, are they............

We accept the OT as wisdom, literature, prophecy and History, but the Law was taken out of the way and nailed to the cross. Jesus said to love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. We get our instruction for living and being saved from the NT.

I get my instructions from those two stone tablets Moses carried down from the mountain, the rest was written by man to control man. My opinion. My life. My judgement day. I try to live as Jesus did, not as some guy in the bible says. Jesus did not condemn, he loved. Try it, you might not be so rigid.

The Bible is God's Word. All scripture is given by inspiration of God. Better not try making up your own type of Christian. Jesus is the Word, the Bible is the written Word.

yeah, not going to argue with you about this. You believe what you believe and I'll believe what i believe. All i know is that Jesus loved all, judged none, and promoted peace. I'll live by my 10 rules you live by what ever anyone wanted to put in that book. Thats fine.

Jesus judged none? Jesus was anointed to be the Judge of the quick (Alive) and the dead. Jesus is the Judge. Jesus is God. Better pay attention to His Word. That's what you'll be judged by.

rotflmao. do you really want to get into a theology war? peace and love was Jesus's word. he didn't judge, he accepted. as i said I'm not going to argue with you, believe what ever you want. Peace, over and out.

Homosexuals sometimes carry the HIV that isn't detected in screening. Their blood is more dangerous than that of Heterosexuals.

ahhh, so all the homos carry that?? Just like all black guys have big lips and the black women all have bis asses? Like that?

CA,   Not all, but they are a High-Risk group.

ahh, like everyone else at this point.....................................

Infected Blood? Really? How is it infected in your mind? Blood is tested for all diseases including HIV before it is approved. HIV infection through blood transfusions is literally non-existent since the 1980s. Gay rights are civil rights, we demand equal rights because we are constantly bearing the brunt of homophobia and ignorance.

Heres a link on HIV through blood transfusions http://aids.about.com/cs/hivtesting/f/bloodsupply.htm

Indubitably.

The bible thumpers can only hope to win by continuing to perpetrate their lies.

Read the added article above about the History of HIV & Homosexuals.

I have it proves a somewhat valid point regarding possible diseases in the blood of homosexuals. We do not deny that HIV is equal in terms to other groups, HIV is ridiculously high amongst the gay community and still is. HIV has ruined the gay community, I can understand them having suspicions about a disease that can possibly be hiding in their system, it seems very flawed and biased. I think if something were to develop something awry it would have by now.

Why ? I already know that its based on pseudo-science with an unhealthy over dose of biblical crap.

what do you mean its based on pseudo-science? I dont care much for the bible, but we are on someone elses page. I dont think he likes having his religion referred to as "crap". I may not agree with his religious convictions, but I at least respect them, even thought I dont approve of them.

Kid...One day your gonna learn just why it is that other homosexuals and their heterosexual allies like myself fight so hard against the lies of the bible thumpers.

But for now...Why not research the mathew shepard case and maybe just check out the gay rights section of http://www.change.org

Im very aware on gay rights. I was raised in a christian household, I have heard the "fire and brimstone" tale waaaayy too many times. I understand you dont like the Bible, I dont either. I think its the biggest setback to civil liberties endured by man. I know very well about Matthew Shephard, all homosexuals know his tale. Im all for gay rights, I never said I didnt.

heterosexual allies like you? .... i thought you were gay?

And I corrected your misconception on one of my blog articles...Did I not ?

Then why would you want to be friends with someone who's happy that your relegated to second class citizen ?

Yes blood is tested but I feel it is irresponsible not to act on the side of caution and exclude high risk groups.  Testing is not fool proof. 

We agree.

Yes act on the side of caution, I feel he does have somewhat of a point of thinking there could be a possible disease hiding/devoloping in homosexuals. Im not the expert on diseases, but diseases are constantly evolving. HIV and other STD's are very rampant among the gay community, I have mixed views on his blog. Yes he does have a point, but it is very homophobic.

I don't think anyone is afraid of the Homosexuals, but we must act on the side of caution. They die young and most prefer to grow old, without disease.

i'm sorry i don't read your stuff. but sure ok.

In that case, you would have to exclude all non-monogamous heterosexuals and/or heterosexuals who have tested positive for either drugs and/or S.T.D.s...Something that isnt being done but should be.

Actually it would not include all non-monogamous heterosexuals because not all non-monogamous hetero-sexuals participate in high rick behavior. Even amongst the non-monogamous there is no comparison between gay men and straight non-monogamous couples.  The number of gay men sky rockets above the monogamous with aids.

Feel how ever you choose but this is not an equal right it is a sick agenda.

Neither do all homosexuals participate in high risk behavior...Especially the ones in a monogamous relationship.

Not all homosexual men were always in monogamous relationships, not all always practised safe sex.

Shu, I would be more offended at the term "gay blood"  I had no idea blodd could be gay unless of course gay people are born as such :)

We are born gay, well most are born gay at least. I think you should use the IM thing on here, I would love to converstate with you.

Being Gay is a choice, you may have made the choice or possibly you were abused when you were young. To purposely choose what the Bible calls sin can affect your eternal destination. You can close your mind to truth, but God doesn't.

Why do I feel that you're so bored right now that you're trying to get into a flame war with greatmartin?

Who feralpuppies?

Why, Holly, what is the ultra-scandalous deal with Feral anyway? Tell me tell me tellmetellmetellme...

What would you like to know?

Like, um... I don't know, is he the same person as a bunch of other guys? Because I keep hearing that about everyone else here.

No, feral puppies is just him.

Okay, that's good to know.

I feel kinda different about actual Christians who honestly believe what they live, their faith and feral is one of them most just cling to their god when it suits them.

And some time ago JoeZ told me about his devotion to JESUS,,,,,, so I guess he's not alone. {#ehh-well.gif}

Gay rights are civil rights, not to mention human rights. I can understand protecting yourself from disease, no one should be exposed to contaminated blood. "Logic be damned", you may not approve of rights for homosexuals, but we deserve equality. You can have your own personal beliefs about homosexuality, but regardless were still human. Yes we are coming after them!!

I just added a little to above post about the History of Aids. They are coming out of the woodwork.

Sorry, but the simple truth is that homosexuals do not want "equality" they want special rights!  Take the silly Hate Crimes Legislation for example:  homocide is homocide, period!  Killing a hetrosexual or a homosexual is still murder, yet gays demanded their "rights" be protected with an extra (totally unecessary) law which leftist democrats gave them. Nope don't try to sell me that gay rights crap--you should call it what it is, special rights.  So called "gay rights" are most certainly not a civil rights issue. 

There's no common sense behind it - this is using blood donation as a tool for an agenda. There is a reason they screen -all- blood, whether it comes from a homosexual or straight person - because that blood may be infected, or carrying a virus, or something else such as.... a sexually transmitted disease. Being straight is no guarantee that your blood is healthy or isn't carrying something and being gay doesn't mean your blood is contaminated, so ALL blood has to be screened.

That makes the question of whether the donor is straight or gay becomes irrelevant. It's a source of irritation bordering on anger that both sides feel the need to support their agendas. The people paying for this in the mean time are those who need the blood.

I understand a Homosexuals predicament. They develop desires that are unnatural, then they have a social & spiritual problem. It's like selling your soul to the Devil for pleasure, it isn't worth it.

I dont understand the inner workings of a "hate crime". We do want equality, we just got the ability to openly serve in the military, were gonna get marriage next. Homicide is homicide period, you are correct on that, whether its against a homosexual or heterosexual. Its not "special rights" its equal rights. I dont think sexual orientation should play a role in any type of crime or in its prosecution, that only sets the line for further divides. However those that murder and kill should be punished to the full extent of the law.

Dude...Unless you are a homosexual OR hang around with them long enough to learn from them...You aint got a clue as to what it means to be gay.

Dude...It aint no different than being heterosexual EXCEPT that you love the same gender AND your a favorite target of idiotic bible thumpers.

Dude...There was no common sense behind that vote...Stupidity yes but not any common sense.

Its not selling our soul to the devil, I understand have your moral and religious convictions. I never chose to be gay, I cant choose who I am physically and emotionally attracted to. Just because someone has an attraction to the same sex does not mean they are lacking in morals, I know it says it in the bible, but its not a choice it has never been.

You lie...And you lie badly.

Theres nothing special about them wanting the same rights that you and I have.

As for hate crimes...Hate crimes are intended to inspire terror and nothing else in the hearts and minds of its victims along with whatever community they belong to.

Hate crimes are far worse than other crimes...Theres nothing silly about wanting to protect people from hate crimes.

Have you gone and listen to a rally by any LGBT groups? aside from the news? Have you talked with homosexuals and tried to understand their sense of thinking? What is your take on how gays should be equal?

Yep...Ive noticed that you bible thumpers tend to breed like roaches...

Exactly...Sexual orientation is neither choosable nor is it changable.

Whether a promiscuous Heterosexual or a Homosexual, It isn't worth the consequences, an eternal Lake of Fire.  

Which doesnt exist except in the minds of bible thumpers.

When you are losing in a discussion, try insulting, it's the Saul Alinski way for Liberals.

Also...Sexual orientation and sexual practices are 2 different things.

To illustrate...I was heterosexual BEFORE I lost my virginity (In effect : Had sex for the first time) and I was heterosexual afterwards...In fact, Im still a heterosexual whether I have sex or not. 

Its the exact same thing for a homosexual.

Who says Im losing ?

nope--you're wrong.  Hate crime legislation is not "equal rights" at all!  It benefits and is aime at benefiting only homosexuals--period!  Nope, homosexuals want special rights, not equal rights--homosexuals are sociatial aborations by choice--yet the demand "equal" rights.  That argument simply doesn't pass the ligic test--it's wrong on its face.

I'm going to take exception to this reply, because it's a load of garbage - Hate crimes are worse than other crimes? What garbage! You are telling me that murdering someone because you hate what they are is somehow worse than murdering them just because you hate them.

A crime is no less, no more a crime, simply because it was perpetrated out of hatred for what they are. The window is just as broken, the life is just as ended. To suggest otherwise is to pretend that one life is worth more than another.

Um, I think your wrong there sweet cheeks. Yes hate-crime legislation does mean "special treatment". It seems kind of necessary when we have been discriminated against for so long, I dont understand why our sexual preference was ever an issue for the "conservatives". Maybe repression of some erotic fanstasy? self-loathing? You little lady have not passed the logic test. We have "special rights" to eliminate homophobia and crimes against the gay community. Only then when the "conservatives" get the idea that we are equal, will we actually get equal rights. I find it ridiculous why gay rights are even still an issue? what do you care who i am attracted to?

Well, shuboots, since homosexuals are sociatal aborations by choice I think the day will never come when "conservatives" or any other logical-driven group will see your kind is "equal"--aborations are never equal or normal by reasonable people's yardsticks.  But, that is non-PC so you won't be able to grasp the inherent logic therein.  And, by the way, a phobia is defined as an irrational fear . .. My not wanting to grant homosexuals special rights and believing they are abnormal is neither "irrational" nor is my opinon based in "fear"--homophobic is a largely empty word--bogus on its face. 

hey!!!! LDConervt.. something something! how are you! great running into you. so how's things been?.... i'm with you on the logic be damned. those liberals and their agenda. oooooooooooooooooohhhhhh that agenda!!!!! why? oh god why?!!!!

You can take exception to it if you want kid but yeah...Hate crimes ARE worse than any other kind of crime...Because of the intent behind it.

Think about the motivations behind the murders committed by the k.k.k. against african americans...Those murders werent just targeting an individual...They were indirectly targeting the whole african american community by the k.k.k. wanting to scare them into compliance.

Generaly, if you hate someone then you hate them because of something theyve done right ? BUT if you hate someone because their of a different ethnicity than you or a different sexual orientation than you THEN it becomes a bit more serious simply because your hating them for something they didnt choose and cant change.

No one CHOOSES to be a social aberation kid and sexual orientation isnt choosable so that only leaves funditarded christians to blame for treating gays as a social aberation.

You have made a choice, but it is possible to change that choice, others have. As a man thinks, so he is.

Your full of shit kid...

1 : Ime heterosexual.

2 : I didnt choose my sexual orientation...I was BORN into it.

3 : Sexual orientation aint choosable nor can it be changed.

You, "kid" are either:  terribly misinformed, dellusional, ignorant, quite poorly educated, or . . . just a PC-obsessed liberal. 

Hmmm . . . come to think of it, that's actually quite redundant, since liberals (progressives, if you like) are PC-obsessed and self-dellusional by nature.  At the end of the day, you're simply wrong.  {#saythat.gif}

Sorry, shu, i totally disagree with you on this one.  It feels like agenda here to me if gay men re actually fighting for their right to give blood.  I agree that they should anot be able to they are the highest risk socio-economic group other than gay black men.

The only special rights I have read about are hate crimes but this article is not about hate crimes.

@insidepassage

It absolutely DOES not make it irrelevant.  Screening can fail. I think it is excellent practice to decline taking blood from not only gay men, but iv drug users and prostitutes.  They are in a VERY high risk group.  In fact the highest. You can never have too much protection.

@feral puppies what you present is your opinion not a fact and you would have had a better argument if you had stuck to fact, now you just sound like a bigoted jerk.

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You have made a choice, but it is possible to change that choice, others have. As a man thinks, so he is."-feralpuppies

Also, feral puppies your got made men with basically a clitoris in their anus, it is called a prostate.  I some how do not think anal pleasure is unnatural based on the location of the fun button

@ the reverend

High risk groups should nto and are not allowed to give blllod.  It is as it should be. 

 

@ reverendboony   for some it is a choice for some it is the way they were born.  you cannot speak for all.

@theLDC bigot Gay men certainly are not social aberrations.  So long as you cannot see another human being as equal it is you who is the aberration. While I agree with you about not giving them special rights which for me only applies to this "hate crime" legislation I do think they should have equal rights.  i think you would be happier if they were all on an island instead of making you look like a bigot.

It is NOT necessary.  There aer already laws that protect you shuboots, you do not need special laws!  Do you think if you got raped by a neo nazi it would be worse and should be treated like more of a crime than if you were raped by a gay man?

A what?  Cute.  I will tell you what I am. I am an EDUCATED SLUT.  Got it.  Good. I am very intelligent. I very much know the difference between right and wrong and how to spot a cowardly bigot when it crosses my path. 

LOL , "DEEP entreprenural aspirations"  I have been doing this work a long time.  I am a phone sex operator.  Sorry you cannot grasp the words.  I am hardly an entrepreneur anymore considering I have been doing this more than seven years and am a success. In the middle of an economic collapse I bought house and moved myself and my family to another state.  I think I quit aspiring a long time ago.

Phone Porn Queen? Why thank you, however, I have done quite a bit more than just phone and there is a lot more to me than just sex but of course you cannot see past my breasts..

Assessing you is easy a cowardly, bigoted insecure, self-admiring, ignorant creep.

For such a self proclaimed talented writer you sure cannot spell or figure you are too important to bother with spelling for all of us pathetic inferiors.

I dunno if the Hate crime legislation was ever necessary, however if it wasnt necessary why was it enacted? I do think it is a bigoted law, everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law. Im not all aware at how different the prosecution is for hate crimes vs regular crimes.

Don't call me "kid" just because I disagree with you. It's arrogance at worst, cowardice at best, displaying an unwilingness to accept any sort of dissent and tagging insulting terminology. Chances are you aren't even old enough to speak down to me in that fashion.

You cannot tell me that one murder is worse than another, simply because it creates fear. All murder generates fear. It's sick, and purposeless, taking life, and sowing fear in those around those who were killed.

The life of a gay person is not worth more than the life of someone else who has died, just because that person hated gays. Don't sit there and pretend your grief or fear is any greater than the family of those who died.

I won't claim the two are the same, because they're not, however, they are on the same level, and to suggest that someone else's fear is less than yours simply because they can't identify with yours? That's bigotry and arrogance.

 

Explain to me, please, how a homosexual person is high risk, let alone the same level of "risk" as a prostitute or an IV drug user.

Are you serious?  I had to go to your profile to check your age because anyone with any common sense knows the answer to this.

First of all I believe i did say homosexual males have the highest infection rate of any socio-economic group exceeded only by homosexual black males, not persons, therefore we exclude women.

This means as a group gay males have aids more frequently than either IV drug users and prostitutes.

Why? Well, that is easy because as a rule MOST gay males participate in high risk behavior for aids this would be anal sex and there is also an IV drug user cross over in this group.

So, logic would dictate that if such a small minority of people have such a high rate of infection, that would make them high risk and therefore should be excluded from giving blood to the public as an added precaution just as other people who for whatever reason are classified as high risk.


All stats are available at the CDC website and in health departments nation wide.

BTW, who suggested gay people should be murdered?

You shouldnt talk about arrogance as you bible thumpers have an abundance of it...Kid.

Sweety...I dont presume to speak for anyone but myself BUT for everyone...Sexual orientation isnt choosable or changable.

That aint a hard concept to understand.

Dude...Im hardly PC...As for the rest, I could care less what you or any of the other braindead sheeple on here think of me.

1. Believing in God doesn't make me a Bible Thumper. I don't push my beliefs on those not of my spirituality.

2. You aren't old enough to call me a kid, son.

Whatever kid.

Well then you are wrong.  There are people who are born gay and there are people who choose to be gay. 


That is fact.

I have known two of them and almost became one of them.

All crimes that do not include monetary gain are hate crimes! Did you miss that?  If someone beats the shit out of me because I work in the adult industry and someone does the same to you because you are gay, why do you deserve special considerations?  TELL ME.

 

What about killers who target women.   They are re not doing it because they hate women but because they hate that particular type of woman, fat, thin, black hair.........what ever.

 

All violent crimes are about hate.

You are queer because  some queers fucked you in the arse and now you like it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Well then LDC you delude yourself. When someone attempts to insult my intelligence or degrade me I will defend myself by taking pride in both my intellect and intelligence, I suppose you think I should run away in shame because I am both a woman and a sex worker.  How dare I disagree with you!

I have read you blogster bio. Everything on your bio I have shared in my articles with those who choose to read me.  Because you choose to make your real name easily accessible this makes you less of a coward?  Personally I think it makes you stupid, but, hey, that is me.  I work in a high risk industry and am women so feel it important to protect my identity.

Oh and your "published" books add you no credibility when they are vanity press,also known as self publishing.  You should really read littlewhips blog about just that, intellectual posers.

I would have gone and checked it out again to see what kind of self-absorbed BS you had added but Alas you blocked me a s a coward word!

What makes you cowardly is that as soon as someone disagrees with you , you run and block them because it is very hard for you to back up what you have to say and all you are left with is lame ass name calling, bigoted comments and personal attacks.

Are you a dumb ass? My avatar is none of those: "not a cartoon figure, a headless surf runner, a smurf, or a rock throwing vandal" is is a play on the Obama poster and my picture sorry you missed that in your ignorance.

Sorry for the anon-comment, thought I should check out this bio that makes him so brave!  -holly


I also wanted to add:  Your attention to detail is priceless for such a holier-than-thou one.  Try my name again. You know, the name of the one you are trying to degrade is important to get right.

dudeeee! The anonymous dude is totally JoeZ!! You can tell cause all da comass!

Haven't you figured it out yetsmart boy?  I love conflict with morons :)

I'm not sure I included my age in my profile. It's 35 if you're interested.

I was asking a question that I already know the (wrong) answers to. I asked because there's multiple answers to it and I wanted to know what your specific take was before I replied to it. Some suggested answers have been the type of sex some engage in (anal), promiscuity, some supposed link between homosexuality and iv drug use, and some other factors depending on who you talk to.

Your response is: Anal sex.

You say that in itself is a high-risk behavior, and I would agree because it is far easier to pass infection and sexually transmitted diseases through that route. However, you know as well as I do that this behavior is nowhere NEAR limited to homosexuals, that many heterosexuals engage in the same behavior.

Why then, limitation "if you have had sex with a man" rather than "if you have ever had anal sex"? After all, it is the SPECIFIC behavior and not the sexual orientation that leads to it.

As far as gay people being murdered, nobody suggested that. That was a discussion of the inherent bigotry of hate crime legislation.

No sweety...That aint fact.

You might choose to have sex with someone thats the same gender as you BUT that doesnt make you gay.

Now, if your naturaly attracted to someone of the same gender, on an emotional and sexual level then you might be gay or just bisexual.

On that, you and I agree.

And that would and should include any high risk heterosexuals.

One flaw in your use of the premise of anal sex being a high risk sexual behavior is the assumption that only gay men have it...You might want to know that many heterosexual couples have it as well.

And Im wayyy older than 35...Kid.

For someone who claims to be so old, you sure don't act like it.

I'll point out here that you've missed the very point that I was addressing - singling out homosexuals for a high-risk behavior that is engaged in by heterosexuals is stupid and hypocritical. If this is really a concern, then why haven't high-risk heteros who engage in anal sex been barred from donation?

IP,

Yes, Anal sex is probably most dangerous, but with other sex body fluids pass from one to the other. Homosexuals are at risk in these two acts, as are all who are promiscuous. As far as the Bible is concerned, it says, "Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled. Between two clean, faithful partners in marriage, STD's will never develop, but with promiscuity STD's will develop. I don't know about Anal sex there, but why would a married couple, man & wife, do that? It's unnatural. In Africa that was done for birth control before they had condoms. God created us, do it God's approved way and be safe. Anal sex could break down membranes which would spread poison from the Colon through the body. There are none so promiscuous as the average Homosexual. You might as well play Russian Roulette. You mentioned your spirituality, are you a Christian? You can't live in sin and be saved.

FP, covering your points on a one by one basis:

1. A little extra insight into my perspective. I'm not a doctor or in any one of those professions that require a full dozen plus years of schooling, but I do work in the medical field and am required to have a grasp of how disease is spread. I'm quite aware of the dangers of body fluids exchanged in sex, and there is no difference in whether that danger is spread in homosexual or heterosexual manner. The answer to "why" lies in the fact that both sexualities engage in regular, oral, and anal sex. (well, bisexuals in the first case). This means all the same diseases can pass from one to another. There are no "gay" diseases or "straight" diseases. AIDs might have been once, but is not now.

2. I'm going to go slightly into slightly uncomfortable territory here because you don't seem to have much awareness of sexual behavior between heterosexuals beyond what you or I may consider normal. You know that there is a vast field of pornography out there, much of it right here on the internet. You're probably also aware that there are any number of fetishes that go beyond stuff like anal, oral or regular sex. Many men and women consider it perfectly acceptable to engage in those things, and I'm sure that more than a few are men or women of Christian faith, because as long as you keep it heterosexual and within the confines of the marriage, you're not violating any standards set down in the Bible. Natural and the Bible do not go hand in hand. Do remember that back in those days, it was considered normal to marry your brother's wife if he died, or engage in what we consider pedophilia now.

3. I consider myself a spiritual Christian rather than a religious one, as we've discussed in the past. I'm not married, and I don't engage in any of the behaviors you'd consider sinful. Keep in mind that my awareness that these things exist isn't the same as doing them. I'm aware that there are people that get off on being beaten, and that makes me cringe inside.

Whether a spiritual Christian or religious Christian, there isn't much difference if you are a Christian. A spiritual Christian is one who is saved and practicing what the Bible teaches for a Christian. Jesus is and will be the Judge. Many who claim to be Christians aren't really, they are just religious. Jesus will separate the wheat from the tares, as the Parable goes. I do avoid Pornography, it isn't wise to play with fire. It's better to be married than to burn with passion. The Bible says, "Let every man have his own wife and every woman to have her own husband". (1 Cor.7:2)

Understand that I'm not criticizing you or calling you naive, or attacking your brand of Christianity when I say this.

Some people enjoy a sheltered enough life or employ a useful kind of blinkering that allows them to avoid ever encountering the ... diversity of lifestyle that leads people to do the sorts of things we've discussed here. I'm not one of them, but while I am aware of these things, I don't "play with fire" as you put it.

I also avoid condemning those who do. It's not the place of men to judge the spiritual well-being of others - that is for God, and God alone. If there is a decision to be made on someone's immortal soul being saved or condemned, that's his purview. We may do what we can to help them, but it's not our place to call down hellfire and brimstone, and in the end we will be judged for those condemnations that turn others away from God as they are for their actions.

What this means is that whether these sexual acts are right or wrong, the morality is not what needs to be discussed. It's whether these actions harm others and if so, whether we need to develop standards of blood donation that exclude -anyone- who engages these high-risk behaviors. Because the practical reality of the situation is that there's no difference between the promiscuity of heterosexuals and the promiscuity of homosexuals.

@ shu because people are such pussies now they think gettting their feelings hurt should be prosecuted.

Not when it is a choice...............

@ the reverend I have anal sex and know that not only gay men have it but do feel the reason less women do is that we do not have a happy button in our butt.  You have to be a masochist to enjoy it :)

I thought it was hilarious he called you a phone porn queen. HAHAHA, LD Conservative is an idiot. Which one of my comments were u referring to? This comment log has got me all lost in the sauce.

I never said is should not include high risk heterosexual s:)

Then again you do not have to be gay to have had sex with a man

 

You sertainly can make a life style choise and tramatic events can also open up that door for yousuch as a nasty divorce.  I have ablog about that somewhewre

 

My response is not only anal sex but that is where the big risk comes in with gay men.

While I am not relying on any studies here I would hazard to say that more men like anal sex and anal stimulation than women becasue of the way the body is designed. I said somewhere in these comments, I love anal sex but that is becasue I am a masochist not because it feels good.  Well it does feel good to me but I like pain...............The only other plesure there for a woman is the who thing assoicated with bowel movements.............ahhh yes we went there.

So I have a question.  I think that all men should have anal sex and or stimulation be it with a woman or a man other wise they are really missing out .  It would be like a woman never playing with her clit.

 

Me thinks I need to use this as fodder for my blogs.  Anyway , wouldn't you think so?  To have a full sex life?

I don't agree with Kinky sex. I wouldn't have sex with an animal either, but some would. Someday they'll come out of the closet and want respect too.

If a man has sex with a man that is Homosexuality (Gay).

I think a full sex life is defined by the couple, their relationship with each other. First and foremost is the couple, however. Some feel they can't have a full sex life without the whole nine yards - all three kinds of primary sex, and trying out every fetish known to man. Some are perfectly happy with the basic act, as I'm sure you've noticed from reading this conversation. Others are somewhere in between.

"A full sex life" is very much a subjective ideal.

It's determined by those two partners in the marriage, and if they cannot come to an agreement or hold an understanding of what satisfies them both, they probably shouldn't have been married in the first place.

That's their business. Not everyone else's. That said, there is a point at which the "high-risk" behavior of the bedroom impacts those outside the bedroom. And that is where it becomes everyone else's business.

If we are going to determine that anal sex is a high risk behavior, then the intelligent and reasoned approach, the one lacking the hypocrisies that come in the debate on the -morality- of the situation, then we must treat both equally. If one is a threat to us, then clearly the other is also a threat, because again, it is the BEHAVIOR and not the people that are high-risk. After all, the standard in blood donation says it's not that gays can't donate blood, it's that gays who participate in anal sex can't donate blood.

The male/female chromosomes have zero effect on whoever is on the receiving end of that STD or blood disease.

You can perform a homosexual act an not be gay.

How many Gay acts does it take to be considered Gay? Of course, when a person is young they experiment, but if a person settles for Gay, that's what they are.

Shuboots:

"Sweetcheeks?" Are you trying to offend me? Please don't bother.

As long as people are human suffering from the human condition of rage and hatred, there will never been an end to homophobia or crimes against the gay community, as there will not be an end to racism or crimes against people of other races or any OTHER form of bigotry for that matter.

Realize that your view of homophobia is as shallow and blinkered as the conservative view of homosexuals as abominations. Yes, some may indeed be closeted and in denial, but there's an even more powerful force at work - religion. Like it or not, the Bible condemns homosexuality, and with the conservative attachment to all things Biblical, that puts the gay community on the out.

It's wrong of course, because it's not man's place to judge, but God's.

Me? I don't give a rats backside who you are attracted to, much less who you sleep with, as long as its not little kids. Between you, your partner and whatever you believe in.

However, as much as I recognize the rightness behind "live and let live" I will not accept legally-mandated bigotry like hate crime legislation as right or proper. You are not a special little snowflake, and a crime against you or one of your community is not any more horrendous than a crime against anyone else. Punishing people for it won't change that, because people are flawed.

 

i was talkin to LD Conservative i think maybe i typed the wrong box, that wasnt meant for you. How am I homophobic?

Eh, this reply system is the pits to keep track of.

I wasn't calling you homophobic, I was calling your view as blinkered as homophobia. Special rights and treatments for any group, no matter how lofty the goal, is a form of bigotry.

Yes special rights and treatments do show bigotry. Gays dont deserve better rights than straights, we deserve equal, in all forms of the law. Did I misinterpret something? This reply system sux, I actually blogged about fixing up this site, you should check it out.

Shuboots

We have "special rights" to eliminate homophobia and crimes against the gay community. Only then when the "conservatives" get the idea that we are equal, will we actually get equal rights.

I was under the impression you were referring to hate crime legislation. No?

I was implying that we have hate crime legislation to prevent further crimes against the gay community. However it should be abolished at a point where crimes against homophobia arent an issue. Conservatives say this is special treatment, it is, yes. It is a special treatment rising out of necessity.

There is no point at which "crimes against homosexuals" (or any other races for that matter) won't be an issue, which means it will never be removed. Hate crime is legislated bigotry and should never have been implemented.

Yea u are right, but do u think hate crime legislation has discouraged attacks?

I think it has done absolutely nothing at all to discourage attacks. I believe it's nothing more than feel-good legislation so that the gay community can feel like they're accomplishing something.

I am with you on the hate crime.  It is bigoted law.

Shuboots NO hate crime legislation does not discourage anything. If a group of "fag bashers" wanted to beat you until you died and are willing to do it in spite of the laws we currently have against murder including the death penalty, do you really think a year or two added to that sentence makes a big difference?

shuboots anything, anythign at all someone does to you because you are gay, right down to calling you names is already A CRIME.

damn post any blog with the word "gay" in it and you get hammered by the homosexuals i guess... anyway, the point i want to get across is, 

Ferelpuppies, why write a blog against gays when you have the gayest avatar on blogster? and your name "ferelpuppies" is the gayest name on blogster. you are more gay than greatmarten. 

okay.... you DO know you posted on this right??? That doesnt make you gay.... Does it?!?!

oooho burn! don't worry keep crushing on me, i'm straight.

Good!

Thats a load off my mind! 

And dont worry!

I plan too:D,!

 

The post happens to concern the disease spread to others mostly by Homosexuals. The public is saved from greater danger from Homosexual blood. When you can't think of something intelligent to say, try slander. 

yeah but what about the vampires? the homosexual vampires?

feral puppies do you even know what slander means?

This doesn't make sense. I've read that more heterosexuals have AIDS than gays. What about heterosexual blood donations?

If more heterosexuals have Aids than gays, that is because heterosexuals make up the majority of the population. It also shows the negative impact that the gay community has had on society as a whole. Non-gays with AIDS are the real victims of the disease, not to mention innocent victims.

On the other hand, there are more heterosexuals without AIDS than there are with. A gay man might be clean at 12:00 noon, and infected as all hell at 1:00 pm, depending on his ability to control his perversion that particular day. The heterosexual population is less likely to be consumed by AIDS at the same rapid rate as the gay community. All blood is tested, but the highest risk donors have to be eliminated. If you don't agree with that, then you are truly as moronic as your above comment would indicate.

You did not say where you received your wealth of information, so I have to assume can provide your non-gay, unbiased source.

HIV started with Gays and is more prevalent among them. They continue to infect others and promiscuous Heterosexuals help spread the disease.

Asa  group gay men have the highest instance of aids as a group percapita.  When giving blood no one in a high risk group is allowed to including prostitutes, anyone who has used iv drugs and anyone who has had a homosexual relationship.

 

Yes, they screen blood but the screening is imperfect and I would rather err on the side of caution and not allow those in high risk groups to give blood.

actually it supposedly started with monkeys and is spread through anal sex.  Do you think gays men are the only ones who have anal sex?

I agree. I was thinking that since so many heterosexuals have HIV from various sources, why woulld their blood be taken without question. But if they do test all the blood, I didn't get why it mattered who donated since HIV is spread around to so many groups now.

I get the point that even testing the blood is not perfect, and better be safe than sorry by excluding higher risk groups. My statement above was more of a question. I didn't think I needed to be labeled a "moron" for asking (not labeled by you Holly).

I use Blogster as a means to learn sometimes. It's a shame that one has to resort to name calling or labeling when their opinion is not shared or is questioned by another. But I'm not surprised of course.

I hardly think you are a moron but you already know that, right? Margr3t has the list down there and those are just some of the restrictions :) So, yeah, it is not just gay men.

... but a bunch of guys fuck girls up the ass....

dude. imma virgin. So. um. No! I think thats fuckin nasty! I juss know people who do it. And dey be straight!

Bullshit...Opposite sex couples do it.

It isn't natural or normal. Some use animals too.

I would honestly say that less women do have anal sex than men have anal sex simply because they have a happy button in their bung home and we do not.  women who enjoy anal sex have to be a masochist on some level.

I really didn't know that...

Ya learn somethin new everydayy!

LOL, anal sex isnt THAT bad. It is very pleasurable, I think women also have a lot of stimulation spots in their bum as well.

Shu as a woman who loves anal sex I can tell you no matter how much you relax, no many how many times you do it there is pain involved on some degree and in my lifetime, other than in porn which translates to FAKE I have never been with or met a woman who could get off on anal sex w/o clitoral stimulation, EVER.  Men, tons that can get off with anal stimulation alone.  It is all about the button.

Imma come back to this!

You are welcome anytime, even when we dissagree.

Feral:  You really have the liberals' thongs tied in a knot over this one.  I love it--very entertaining!  WELL DONE, my friend!!!  

We dont wear thongs, that isnt an item that should be in a mans wardrobe.Why does gay rights bother you so much? Are u secretly wishing you acted on your homosexual desires? It seems all too well lately the most blatant critics are usually the ones that are bluffin with their muffin.

Not "gay rights' your kind want special rights, pure and simple--you want to be rewarded for choosing to be sociatal aberations.  "Blatant critics" are often the ones providing factual, truthful, pragmatic information as opposed to homosexuals who spout emotions rants and PC-obsessed falsehoods.  There's yet another "inconvenient truth" for you . . . "muffin." 

Still think most of you wear thongs.  {#rofl.gif}{#rofl.gif}{#rofl.gif}{#rofl.gif}

some do however, not me. Im wearing Spongebob boxers, thong or not. No, my muffin is mine, its not yours. You cant have it!!

LOL, I am not fired up.  At least I use this as an forum to speak the truth not just bash gay men.

Soem gay men wear thongs shuboots and so do many straight.

LOL, I know both wear them. I was just stating I dont find them very attractive, I prefer a guy in boxers or briefs.

Holly,

PS: I deleted a couple of yours that got pretty raw.

Remember this isn't a sex blog. Educational OK, but I deleted a few more comments.

LOL, oops im sorry feral. This site should work on its Instant Messenger, my blogs too get jumbled with other ppls convo's. Ya kno ur Feral ur not half bad, at least you can be civil about what you feel.Theres a lot of others on this site that cant. Off the topic question, are u a man or a woman? I always thought you were a guy, then i realized the bow, which has led me to this question.

I'm a man, a retired Long Haul Trucker. I was a Owner Operator. My wife and I ran Coast to Coast. I'm a Motorcyclist too, or used to be, I lost my touch and quit while I was ahead. Check my Blogspot for a picture of my M/C. I sure do miss it.        http://feralpups.blogspot.com

 

I really do not think it is a matter of winning or losing.

Very few people would choose a transfusion if it was from a Homosexual, especially from male on male. The Homo's wanted the Bill passed, normal people did not want it passed. Normal people won this round, but it isn't over yet, there are Homo's in high places.

How true, how true, Feral.  The bottom line stated with superb clarity. 

Feral, I agree with you and I feel that responsible gay men and responsible supporters of homosexual lifestyles like myself would also agree with you.

I do feel that any gay man who supports this idea is agenda driven not reality driven and is not a lover of humanity and that has nothing to do with the bible, sin or bigotry.


It is simple common sense. Gay men have the highest instance of aids other than Gay black men.  They are in a high risk group.  Yes blood is screened.  BUT screening is imperfect and i think not allowing high risk groups to give blood is perfectly acceptable when that blood is being made available to the public.

Gay men, iv drug users and prostitutes, to name a few are not allowed to give blood because they are in a high risk group and it is perfectly acceptable to me. 

Why aren't the outspoken people here fighting for the rights of IV drug users to give blood?

 

I do want to add that i also think that if john doe needs blood his lover should be allowed to give him blood in spite of these rules.  I am specifically speaking of blood made available to the public not private matters.

Very good Holly. This didn't start out to be an argument, but one sure developed. By the way, somewhere you asked if I knew the meaning of 'slander', I checked the Dict. to make sure I was right. It does mean to defame, as in defamation of character. I used it right.

You and all the other homohaters are not normal people.

So...You really think a heterosexual dying for lack of blood and desperate for a transfusion is really gonna care where that blood comes from ?

They have rules for a purpose. They won't take blood from a person whose blood pressure is too high either.

There is a huge number of donation restrictions.

The American Red Cross is refusing donations from people who have spent a cumulative three months in Great Britain or those who have spent six months in any part of Europe since 1980.

DO NOT DONATE BLOOD IF:

 You have ever tested positive for HIV,
 You have ever injected yourself with drugs or other substances not prescribed by a physician,
 You are a man and have had sex with another man, even once,
 You have hemophilia or another Blood clotting disorder and received clotting factor concentrate,
 You have engaged in sex for drugs or money since 1977,
 You have lived in western Europe since 1980,
 You have been held in a correctional facility (including jails, prisons and/or detention centers) for more than 72 hours in the last 12 months,
 You were born in, lived in or had sex with anyone who lived in, or received Blood products in Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Niger or Nigeria since 1977 (this list changes frequently; updates are very important) or,
 You are, or have been a sexual contact of someone in the above list.

NOTE: There is a special watch for potential donors who have visited or lived in England/United Kingdom from 1980 to 1999, and those who have lived and/or worked in Western Europe since 1980.

more information http://www.bloodbook.com/donr-requir.html
http://www2.redcross.org/services/biomed/0,1082,0_557_,00.html

Thank you Margr3t :)

Years ago when I had to have surgery the doctor explained to me that I could donate blood to myself. I got to donate 3 pints one every 2 weeks. If I needed the blood they would use it, if not they threw it away. The surgery was for a possible cancer that turned out not to be but at the time possible cancer was a reason they would not reuse the blood for someone else. Also I could get my family to donate for me. I had two siblings that had O blood, the universal blood, they would hold it for me if I needed it and if not it would go into the bank for anyone. They donated, I didn't need it so it went into the bank for someone else.

Thanks Marg3t -  I didn't know all this. I have donated blood once. The site of it just about made me sick. It seems to me that subsequent to that I was told once if I had high blood pressure,I shouldn't donate. I can't recall who told me that or when I was told. Red Cross has blood donations where I work often since it's such a huge place. You know or heard anything about high blood pressure stopping someone from being able to donate?

Cats, I found this at http://www.communitybloodservices.org/db_faq.php
Q.  Can I donate if I have high blood pressure?
A.  Yes, as long as your blood pressure is within our acceptable criteria of 180/100. If you are taking medication to control your blood pressure, be sure to continue to take it as prescribed by your physician. Also, know the name of the medication when you come to donate.

There is a ton more info on there too about medications and stuff, pretty informative. If I were you I would call your local red cross and ask them. I am sure they would know what the restrictions are.

Also if you don't watch is not nearly as bad. :)

Thanks Margar3t! Oh yes, after about six months of trying this and that, my doc and I found a perfect med for my blood pressure and it stays quite low now. I used to always feel like I was racing inside. It was nice to slow things down a little. I guess I'll start donating again although I have a very common type of blood.  But I guess it's needed regardless of your blood type.

agreed per my comment:

I really do not think it is a matter of winning or losing.

Not everyone fears death, so maybe you are the true idiot. Following your logic we have the choice of a slow death by AIDS, knowing that we have sold ourselves out, or dying now with dignity. I would rather take the .44mag in the temple than die an ass-pumpers slow death.

{#iagree.gif} Isn't it true that all fetuses begin as female, and then after a few weeks the chromosomes kick in to make it either a male or female? I'm sure I've read this a number of times over the years. I've always felt that something that happens around this time in early development is what makes some men gay and some people transgender or born in the wrong body. I wholeheartedly agree with you that it's hard to believe that some people are still so ignorant as to believe that people are gay by choice. And I can't believe how many of these people who believe it's a choice speak in the most UNChristian of language about gays. I don't think there is an ounce of love or acceptance in their hearts for anyone who is unlike themselves. How hypocritical.

I couldn't agree more Cats.

I agree with you on this, they would beg for the blood no matter what they say here. They are all cowards.

Cats,

I think that if a person speaks in an unchristian language about Gays or anyone else, they are probably not a Christian. I am a Christian and I haven't used unchristian language anywhere on any of my posts. What you say about the distribution of Hormones being different in different Fetuses is true, but gives no one the permission in God's sight to sin. We learn what is sin in the Bible. A person can fight against God if they like, but there are consequences. By the way it is a choice whether to sin or not. The Bible says, "As a man thinks, so he is". If a person controls the mind, he can control the body. Christians try not to sin, but have a Savior when they do. Beyond that Jesus is the Judge.

Charlie, the 'F' word and a few others are too much and I delete those comments. Your comments are welcome otherwise. Intelligent comments, more than welcome.

Eternal death is worse than physical death.

sure, in your rage of Christianity you have erased the most important comment on here, your a fake and you also just took away my right to free speech you communist! Don'y you ever worry about my eternal life, maybe you ought to re-evaluate yours, and the life your living now using God and Jesus to promote your special kind of hate. I guess you could find a reason to get rid of this comment to you hypocrite!

Charlie,

No filthy language, the comment stays. There is no rage on my part. The readers can judge. Repeat the comment without filthy language and it will stay also.

nevermind, it fell on deaf ears

Feral just remeber to delete the comments of those who agree with you too when they use those words.

Holly,

True, some of them are careless with their language, but don't go so far as the 'F' word and do have something constructive to say. I'm not a Prude. 

yep you deleted MY post, but left others that used the same words in here. That is a communist act if I ever saw one. Suppress the writings. You didn't like what I said, why don't you just admit it? You let JoeZ say what ever he wants, but he's one of your good old boys so thats ok. Don't worry about it, it's one more reason to not believe one word you write about anything.

fereal, the "f" word is all thru this post, i just checked. You sir are a liar.

he didn't, that word is all thru this post, he deleted mine cause it was the truth.

Charlie,

 When I see it, I will delete it.

then go back and look feral, it's all over the place, and worse words than that

Charlie,

I still say repeat your comment and it will stay. But, plain English is better than vulgarity. I tollerate some, but when really offensive, I delete.

This Charlie guy seems to think just because a comment was made by him, that makes it the most important comment on the whole thread. It was his comment that changed, and set the tone of the conversation. Charlie's use of profanity and personal attacks opened the door for others to follow suit. The problem is, Charlie cannot see the difference between bashing other bloggers, and other bloggers bashing gays. Personal attacks and bashing cannot be dissected or justified solely on the grounds of who is being bashed. The above comments that were deleted were mine. As vile and vulgar as they were, they stood as a testament as to how ridiculous Charlie sounded calling anyone a hypocrite. Bashing is bashing.

I am sorry if I offended the host, but I stand by the context of my comments.

lol, your a coward to not show your name and then put me down? My post was nothing but the truth.

Your a coward if you don't show your address, phone number, SS#, and every other little tid-bit of information about yourself. Saying your name is Charlie Adams does not prove that is who you are. There are thousands of people named Charlie Adams, so without any additional information, you are just as anonymous as I am. I could say my name is John, or Bruce, Sally, or even Jesus for that matter, and I still would not be exposing anymore about myself than you are.

Coward? That is a truly original argument. One usually reserved for the biggest coward in the room. When you provide full disclosure, then your coward accusation will have some merit. Until then we both share the title. Being a member of this site does not make you brave, neither does bad-mouthing everyone.  

Full disclosure?  You are hiding you blogging identity.  The identity you are known as in this community.  That has NOTHING to do with your real identify at home, work...............you are a MORON LDC.

 

Just because you want to open your real self up to the world does not men everyone else does. Stupid ass.

Coward.

Holly, we're friends on facebook too. Go ahead and check my 2 profiles for me(this one and the one on facebook), look at at the photos, check my page, see my friends, (1700 of them, lol) then you can see for your self just who i am, and if I misrepresent myself here in any way. Now, coward, I am who i am. i don't have what it takes to be someone else as I'm busy just being me. I've tried that whole be someone else thing, it didn't work out for me. At least you know whos commenting, not hiding behind anonymous.

You just called someone a moron for no reason. I am not LDC and I don't have a blogging identity. This blog post came to me in an email link, I read it, and I joined in the conversation. Like it or not, the blog host has provided the outsider, (non-members) the opportunity to participate.

From what I have witnessed on this very post is, the "regulars" here seem to get some satisfaction out of demonizing the opposing opinions. An online identity only serves a purpose for those who need an avenue in which to direct their hate down. The appetite for attack can not be satisfied if your prey has no home base, so you are left without any red meat to feed on when a stranger enters the room. Must suck to be you.

You call yourself mmmhollywould, but like I said above, you too are  anonymous. It is tough to shoot someone in the dark, and it is that level playing field that scares the hell out of the real cowards in this world. Strip away the membership, the anonymous looking avatars, the back-up from on-line friends, the names that mean nothing at all and what are you left with? You are left with your own logic and that's it. You are stripped bare and blogging alone. That takes more guts than entering a debate with a whole community of bloggers at your side.

No I don't have a blog for you to attack tomorrow. I don't have an online identity for you to Google, and I don't have any friends here to defend me. All I did was write in a comment box that was made available to me. Nobody is going to give full disclosure on the Internet and it takes a dumb-ass to think that is what I was asking for. I was just saying that any identity other that the real one is fake, and otherwise anonymous. Happy blogging, and it was nice visiting your "hood."   

All comments are welcome here, you make some valid points.

I heard on the radio the other day, that here in Australia, gay men/prostitutes are still able to give blood if they have abstained from sex for over a year......wierd.....

Your laws may be more relaxed than ours. That may do it if people are honest.

Blood is blood...the loser is the one who dies because the hospital doesn't have a sufficient supply of that type of blood.  There aren't any winners under this judgement.

Dead is dead, so what is the difference between dying from AIDS infested blood, or the lack of available blood? The difference is, you either die from whatever caused your immediate need for blood, or you were murdered by the irresponsible donor who should have kept his dirty blood to himself. Blood donation is a voluntary action, so the answer is not to lower the safety standards, but rather to increase the awareness of how drastic blood shortages are. Eliminate the high risk donors, and replace those numbers with new healthy donors. Advertisement used to be abundant, but you almost never hear anything concerning blood donation anymore. Unless of course there is a catastrophe. Keeping the pressure on the population is the answer. That will ultimately produce more winners.

Good grief.

Gay men = high risk group for aids and other STDs, like HepatitisB.

High risk groups = not welcome to donate blood.

There's nothing religious OR political about it.

Iv drug users and prostitutes are also barred from donating blood, but I don't see any political lobby screeching for their 'right' to do so.  Giving blood isn't a 'right' in the first place, it's just a decent thing to do.  If you aren't in a high risk group.  If you ARE in a high risk group, the decent thing to do is abstain from donating blood.

I had Hepatitis C for many years.  In 2000 and 2001 I was treated with thrice weekly injections of interferon (plus a bunch of other stuff) and I was one of the lucky ones, my treatment cured me.

Yes, CURED.  I have been virus-free since 2001 and I get tested twice a year.  Anything over 5 years is considered a cure, not a remission.

I am, however, barred from donating blood.

I'll get over it.

People in high risk groups can always find other ways to help if that's what they truly WANT to do.  They can raise awareness, they can volunteer to hand out cookies and orange juice to those who have donated.  They can donate CASH and TIME.

Anyone in a high risk group that would push to be allowed to donate their blood is not really looking to be of service to their fellow man, they are pushing a political agenda.

In regards to the question of whether or not a homosexual is born that way or later makes a conscious decision to BE that way is irrelevant.

The question is this: How will you act on those desires?  Do you give in to them or resist them?  You may not be able to choose what your desires ARE, but you CAN choose whether or not you will ACT upon them.

And to close my late commentary on this argument, just let me tell you this, Charlie is an asshole, he always has been and always will be.  He's so PC that he thinks trying to FORCE blood banks to accept blood from high risk donors will endear him to the gay community, and that's the ONLY reason he argues such an idiotic position.

When I see him lobbying for prostitutes and drug addicts and people like me, who have suffered a blood borne disease but now test clean to be able to donate blood as well, I'll eat my words.  But until then, I think it's safe to assume he's just kissing gay ass because it's the PC thing to do.

LW, Except for a couple bad words, you make a good case. You explained this subject better than I could.

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