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Religion in modern America

Added: Sunday, April 12th 2009 at 9:32pm by AngryRepublican
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Religion in modern America
 

 
Newsweek claims that the Christian Religion is dead in America.
 
CNN proclaims that the battles for "morality" in America have all been lost by the "religious right."
 

 
The Huffington Post laughs at you silly little people who are worried about socialism, the loss of personal freedom, and religious persecution.
 
And I am here to simply define the word: "Persecution."
 
Founding Father and the FIRST President, George Washington said this:
 
"True religion affords government its surest support. The future of this nation depends on the Christian training of our youth. It is impossible to govern without the Bible."
 

Would President George Washington be "persecuted" TODAY, if he made that statement now..??
 
I believe that he would be.
 
Why would George Washington MAKE a statement like this, (with all that "separation of church and state" stuff..??)
 
Because- President Washington; being an extremely intelligent man, knew that a country filled with "free" people would KILL themselves, without a good sense of morality. (Or a King’s Army to control all of you radical bastards.)
 
Since Washington was among people who fled Europe to get away from "The King’s Army", and the persecution of a State run Religion...
 
President Washington didn’t want to create an "all-powerful King’s Army" here in America to stop you from stealing my goat. He hoped that you and I, as free people, could work out our differences. The best way he knew for you to learn morality, (if you didn’t learn it from your parents) was from religion.
 
Today, the liberal left would persecute George Washington for his beliefs, and the liberal left would laugh at a man like John Adams who worried about personal freedom from an over-bearing government.
 
The founding fathers wanted to form a country where anyone could practice a peaceful religion and be FREE from religious persecution.
 

 
Here is where that pesky word: "persecution" comes in.
 
Many people (on the left) believe that "persecution" MEANS- to harm physically, to banish from the country, etc.
 
This is not a correct definition.
 
Persecution simply means: subject a person to prolonged hostility and ill-treatment, persistently harass or annoy.
 
This is what people on the left are doing to the modern religious believer and exactly what Bill Maher did with his movie: "Religulous."
 

 
Religulous does have its funny moments, I will give Bill Maher that. But it should.
 
After all, Maher started out as a stand-up comic, before he decided to become a "deep thinker." Also, Bill Maher used Larry Charles as his director. Charles; who also directed the movie: "Borat" which stared Sacha Baron Cohen, has made an art out of using stupid people, saying stupid things, to make a point.
 

 
Religulous follows the same "mold" as Borat. Charles takes footage of anyone who made a coherent thought and tosses it on the editing room floor. You never see it. However, any person who stumbles his way through an answer; gets in the movie.
 
So, with Bill Maher and Larry Charles at the helm, it should have been a funny movie. And it was in parts, (if you like to laugh at people.)
 
However, Religulous was a BOMB for Charles. Domestically, Religulous made 13 million at the box office. Foreign release saw an even worse result with: $355,000 bucks.
 
Put that next to Larry Charles’ direction of "Borat", which saw 128 million in the US, and 133 million in foreign, for a total of 261 million worldwide, you can see that the 13 million total from "Religulous" was a disaster for Larry Charles.
 
Throughout the entire movie, you find yourself wanting to grab Bill Maher and begin to quiz him. But you; the audience, never gets that chance. No intelligent religious people are allowed within a mile of Bill Maher, during the filming of this movie.
 
You find yourself asking: "Bill, do you believe in the talking monkeys..?? You know, the small group of monkeys who decided to gain intelligence, and the thousands of other monkeys that never did..??"
 
"Mr. Maher, do you believe in the bubbling mud puddle..?? The oozing and churning ‘mud puddle of life’ that created the first single cell..??"
 
"Bill Maher, do you believe that space aliens planted ‘LIFE’ on earth..??"
 
"Do you believe in the tiny particle that exploded into the universe..??"
 
If you wanted to ask these questions, you will be disappointed in this movie because they are never asked.
 
Bill Maher does have a "stock" answer for anyone who asks these types of questions; Bill says: "I don’t know..??"
 
Deep thinkers, they amaze me...
 
Bill Maher says: "I don’t know..??"
 
(Let me frame it exactly the way that Bill Maher says it) "At least I’m honest, I do not know where life comes from. But neither do religious people..."
 
Well, Bill...
 
That is only HALF right.
 
Science also doesn’t know where life began.
 
Religious people believe they know how life began, but they cannot prove it with a scientific test.
 
Nor can science. (Prove where life began with a scientific test.)
 
Bill Maher hides behind a rock while slinging his dangerous barbs at religious people.
 
When you begin to tear into people like Maher about the oozing "mud puddle of life", or the talking monkeys, Maher quickly hides behind the rock of: "..I don’t know where life began.."
 
Once you realize that you cannot attack Bill Mahers ideas, (because he doesn’t have any..!!) You have nothing to fight with, and Maher (and his liberal buddies) are free to attack you. (From the safety of hiding behind "the rock of ignorance.")
 
Bill Maher: attacking religion.
 
THIS IS: persecution.
 
What Bill Maher does is exactly what the founding fathers didn’t want to happen.
 
The persecution of religious people in America.
 
Yes, Bill Maher has the RIGHT to speak free.
 
And, "we the people" spoke with our dollars because "Religulous" was a flop.
 
(I even hated to rent the dam movie. However, I like to know what I am talking about.)
 
Well, Bill Maher, I believe in God.
 
I do not believe in an "oozing mud puddle of life." I do not believe in a talking monkey. (Though I have seen a monkey push a yellow button when he wanted a banana.)
 

 
If you are a believer in evolution, you must ask "how did this all begin."
 
The question that Ben Stein asks in his movie "Expelled- no intelligence allowed", if you believe in an expanding universe; it had to start somewhere? Where did it start..??
 
Science is divided on how "it all started." They cannot prove it.
 
Bill Maher "doesn’t know" and doesn’t want to dwell on it. He is happy to persecuted religious people like some school yard bully.
 
I believe that God created it all.
 

 
I left the Catholic Church many years ago because I cannot belong to a faith that openly tried to move child molesting Priests around to different churches, and cover up the whole ordeal. I did not care for the politics that you find in some churches.
 
But this doesn’t corrupt my faith in God. These are examples of evil men doing evil things. Religion has little to do with it.
 
This is what Bill Maher cannot conceive.
 
Evil people do evil things. Regardless of origin or religion.
 

 
Did Hitler kill millions of people to get closer to God..??
 
Or did Hitler want to expand Germany and use Darwinism to create a "master race?"
 
Did Napoleon try to conquer the known world in the name of God..??
 
No, Napoleon made himself Emperor of France, King of Italy, Mediator of the Swiss, and "Protector of the Rhine."
 
Napoleon was after the cash and the fame.
 
Did the Crusades take place because God wanted it to happen..??
 
Or did evil men pervert a religion..??
 
Does Allah want men to kill innocent people..??
 
Or has evil men perverted another religion..??
 

 
Bill Maher cannot understand this.
 
Like the person who believes that if you remove guns from society you could stop murder...
 
Maher believes that if religion went away, the world would be "more fair" without this moral dogma.
 
I, for one, do not want to live in a world without morality.
 
Murder is OK. Neighbors possessions are yours for the taking. Killing babies is acceptable. Having sex with your friends spouse is encouraged. Children can be abandoned. And NOTHING is greater than yourself. YOU are the most important thing in your life.
 
Welcome to the: "Anti- religion."
 
Bill Maher claims that: "Man would have figured out that murder is wrong without religion.. Man doesn’t need religion to understand that theft is wrong.."
 
Oh, really Mr. Maher.
 
Then explain why some jungle tribes, who never had contact with modern religion, feel it is OK to kill your neighbor, and no one goes to jail. Why do some jungle tribes feel that theft is fine because "the strong can take from the weak." That is just a fact.
 
So the answer is NO...
 
Men may not learn that crime is evil, without morality.
 
Morality is the glue that allows us to live together.
 
Morality keeps good men honest.
 
Evil men will be dealt with by the police and military.
 
Without morality, good men have no reason to be honest. The police and military become overwhelmed.
 
Without morality, the city, the country, the world devolves into animalism. A place where the STRONG take what they want from the weak.
 
This is what George Washington was talking about, all those years ago.
 
President Washington knew that no army on earth could control free people, who lost their morality.
 
Washington didn’t want a powerful government that would rule the people of America. That is why the founding fathers wanted its citizens armed with guns and to have full voting rights. So that Americans could replace its government by voting, or by force, if necessary.
 
But most of all, the founding fathers wanted a country that practiced morality.
 
A free people who could police themselves.
 
For thousands of years, the best way to teach morality is through honest parents and religion.
 
This Easter weekend, I do worry that America is "losing its religion."
 
I am positive that even the liberal left wouldn’t want to live in a world with no religion.
 
Sure, they might receive their gay marriage and be able to abort children at will. They could cheat on their spouse without regard.
 
But I believe that liberals lack the vision of seeing beyond their own wants.
 
What about MY wants..??
 
If I no longer care about being "good." If I no longer worry about a heaven and hell, I might just take your possessions. What would stop me from taking your car..?? The police..??
 
Even the hard- core liberal might pray for a return of religion.
 

 
Which, in an ironic twist, is when many find God. When it might be too late.
 
Even Charles Darwin found God (again) in his old age.
 
The young man has the luxury of believing that he is invincible, and can question a power greater than himself.
 
However, the old man doesn’t have that luxury. At deaths door, is when many begin to believe that there MUST be more to life then a few random particles.
 

User Comments

Thank you Biff ,, we needed a post like this for today ,being Easter when Christ rose fro the dead  to sit at the right hand of his father GOD Almighty , keep the stuff coming  ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Amen brother....Amen.

a very appropriate post for today.  hope you had a Happy Easter...

Thank you. I hope the ones who need to read this do but....I doubt it.....

Great Post! I hope you had a joyous Easter!

Thanks AR.... Happy Easter... The tomb is empty, Jesus Christ has risen! 

Fish 2Excellent post! Thankyou!

 

This is what I would tell Bill.

I found Bill Maher mildly "amusing" in the time before he decided he decided to start "preaching the gospel according Bill". Now I just look upon him as a typical liberal low-class-ass.

No one cares Bill. You are simply insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Christianity was here long before you Bill, and will ALWAYS survive the Liberal-ass assaults from your kind.

I might agree if Christians were the only persecuted religious group, and if there had never been Christians doing the persecuting. I will say that some sort of moral common ground is needed. I just don't see that any one group is more qualified than any other to force their beliefs on all. I don't steal from my neighbor, not because I'm worried about heaven or hell; I refrain because he's a friend, and because my personal ethics demand otherwise. In short, I think the issue is bigger than religion; all religions harbor people that many other people consider evil.

This is where we have gone off course.  The constitution never said "separation of church and state"; it is freedom to worship.  It's been twisted to fit an agenda.  Thanks for the post.

This was some of your finest work AR! I sent it to my Pastor. Great post!

about hitler...where did he get the idea to kill 6 million jews? wasn't he in league with the devil(the occult)? where did he get the notion that there was a devil? what does it matter where life came from? we will never know how or why it got here for sure thats why the relegions and the theroies

2 Corinthians 10Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

When I am persecuted for my belief in the Lord Jesus Christ as my savior I tell the one doing the persecuting that it is not me they have a problem with, it is God because it is His Word that I believe.  If they want to argue they should shout at the sky, but, that would be a problem since they "claim" not to believe in God.  So their arguments are worthless.

First issue, the establishment clause and "the wall between church and state," were created to protect and conserve religion from the government. The establishment clause of the constitution prohibits any law be passed that establishes or affects any religion, in so many words. The words "seperation of church an state," have been twisted by modern media to mean "keep your religion out of my government."

Which is ridiculous. Our country was made by religious men, looking for religious freedom. They based everything they did off of a Christian God. Without a basis of morality, learned by a religious education and youth, they wouldn't have the sense to make a fair set of laws, would they?


I agree with you on the Bill Maher topic. It's erroneous to assume that we as humans have any sense in us to create a moral society without a concept of God and reprisal. We need that guidance. But in my case, I simply invest no faith in human nature. I think it is possiblefor high minded individuals to form their own systems of morality without religion, but I suppose I cannot say, as even though I am not religious, I was raised Episcopalian. 

Where I disagree is on the topic of science. No, nothing can be said for sure, but "the puddle of mud" idea has been tested, mimicing the same conditions of an early Earth. And voila, the produced constructs were cell membranes, and other raw materials that, when put together, would create a working cell. And from there it's only a leap and a step towards fish, and then mammals, and subsequently, man.

This doesn't disprove religion and creationism, but as you say it God and religion can't be proved, but it can be invested in with faith. Don't be so quick to discount science as a force. It can not only be proved, but also invested in. As for the concept of the supermass particle that seperated, creating the universe, not so much. Theories, speculation. But so is God, no?

Now, I agree that religion is good, and there is a waging battle against it. This is sad, in my mind. Stupid people are looking at other people, most of whom are minding their own business, and screaming in their faces with their high horse attitude, "you're wrong."

In my mind, people have the right to live however they please. I think religion is good for a community, and good for an individual. But I think unified religion, such as the Vatican Church, the 17th century and onwards Protestant Church of England, and any other church with Epsicopal Polity, is harmful. As in a government, there is too much room for misinterpretation, for harm. Human nature tells us that we'll warp what was originally a fair and good message about running a life with faith and morality into a message of "we believe in this God, you believe in that God, you must be less than us."

Corruption, manipulation, and misinterpretation. All these things lead to issues when religion becomes prevalent in a society on a larger scale. Infallibly so. The Vatican crusaded on the Middle East. The Spainish Inquisition did some terrible stuff I'm sure you're aware of. The Church of England persecuted the Puritans and drove them out of the country with the Uniformity Act of 1662, the Puritans of America did some pretty bad stuff to the "devils in the forest," the Theocratic Dictatorships of the Middle East drive men and armies to destroy one another endlessly, on the entirely fair interpration of the Quran's concept of a physical jihad. Then the underdog, those opressed by religious groups twisted by human nature, become bitter, and strike back at anything they can grab a hold of. So went the Native Americans, the Muslim Extremists, the Irish Extremists, so on and so on.

What's my point here? Under all the misanthropy, when people get together and make an organized religion on any scale, community wide, country wide, empire wide, the very real and indisputable force of human nature drives them to do stupid, wicked things to one another.

Because hey, someone has to be better than someone else. And there, the logic of learning morality through faith and God, is counterbalanced by learning hate through faith and God. Which is the majority of mankind.

So where's the middle ground, here? How do we take the good of religion - creating morality where a human would be unable naturally - and minimalize the bad - misinterpration, a group theology of "persecution?"

In the infamous words of Bill Maher, "I don't know." I really don't. What do you think, you angry republican?

Well, this is a VERY well written and thought out comment..!!

It deserves an answer. Except, it is 1am on the east coast and I have got to get some sleep. I promise to get to it in the morning when I can re-read it.

(PS) The last line was funny..!!

That last comment was so good that after reading it, I started thinking about it in December, and didn’t come up with an answer until April.

No, actually I got involved in other topics and forgot about this great comment. I didn’t realize that had happened until I was reviewing older editorials, and so here we are.

There are many areas within this last comment where we can both agree. (Bill Maher, the modern persecution of religious people, etc.)

I think the first area where we might disagree is the "faith" that the writer of the last comment has in modern scientific theory. I do not believe that science is even close to showing how life could be derived from a mud puddle. If I am correct, the science community is very divided on this topic. Some believe that life could form- naturally. Others believe that life had to be delivered here on earth. (By way of a comet, space aliens, or God.) Yes, some scientists do believe in God.

I guess my biggest concern with the scientific process of trying to recreate life in a mud puddle is: how, on earth, would you ever find any material that is completely devoid of "life" to use in your experiment?

Life has been dam near EVERYWHERE on this planet. Sure, you could sterilize water and filtrate it to the point of being "pure water." However, any elements that you add to "pure water’ in your experiment could already be corrupted with "life." Therefore how would you ever know if you created life in a mud puddle, or the life was already there because you are using elements found on earth, and life is everywhere, here.

A far better test would be to pick one of Jupiter’s moons. Determine if life ever existed there. NO- then chisel off a hunk of ice and begin experimenting with elements found on that moon to try and recreate life.

Trying to recreate the start of life on a planet that is teaming with life, to prove life could start here naturally; would be like trying to make fudge from random elements in a baking pan that is coated with OLD fudge. No matter what you add to that pan, you are going to find "fudge" in there, because it was already there before you started.

Second point-

I can see that you are more pessimistic about human nature than I am. There is nothing wrong with that.

I believe that the human race is 85% good / average. Meaning- most people do not want to hurt anyone. Their goal is to live a healthy / happy life and they will try and help people if they can. However, about 15% of any population can be evil. These people never learned morality. They believe that you do not deserve what you have, so they are free to take it from you. They have no remorse after stealing, killing, etc.

Normally, the police and the military can handle these evil people. However, from time to time, a group of evil people can take hold of a religion, or a country; and corrupt the whole thing.

But, again; we are talking about evil men doing evil things. Religion, I believe, had little to do with it. (Other than the fact that the evil men used religion to commit their acts.)

Which was the point of this editorial, on this Easter weekend...

I believe that religion gets a bad rap in the modern world. People only want to remember the evil that evil men do. After all, these evil men would have done evil things with, or without religion.

Yet, there are thousands of religious ministries around the world who’s only goal is to feed the hungry, get medicine to the sick, and comfort the suffering. They do this everyday; regardless of what we debate here.

Thanks for the GREAT comment..!!

 

we are like allah yes 

we are have no kill people,  Because people have times give too allah  live and times too give allah  people deid, we know wait we  self times deid, soon



we are have no kill people,  Because people have times give too allah  live and times too give allah  people deid, we know wait we  self times deid, soon


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