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What Is A Model Citizen?

Added: Tuesday, January 12th 2021 at 10:49am by CREATIVE14
 
 
 

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We used to know the answer to that question, but not anymore!

It's kind of a shame!{#basic-frown.gif}

Don't you think such things ebb and flow though? There have been improvements, and then backward steps.

Yes there used to be ebb's and flows....but the standard was a set of Basic Values, Norms and belief in certain Social Institutions.  Some of those norms and Basic Values are gone and as a result faith in Social Institutions has deminished!{#basic-laugh.gif}

But good deeds can restore the faith in those values and institutions. It will take a long time but its surely doable.

I think that the key is peeps knowing and plying/applying 'love ' to every thought and deed. 

I think that problem preventing that is that peeps will not humbly agree (or come to consensus on a truly handy/useful/usable definition for the word and the idea/concept of "love", and USE IT ! ! !

--end rant--

Love is so special where can muster it up. Its one of the reasons that I like Christmas so much. There always seems to be a little more love around. Maybe we do need to define what it is. For me its about having respect for people.

Don't be daft! That was not any kind of rant, HaHa.

Rant? Ach! You're too smart for me...

Love is maybe 10, 100, 1000 or 10,000 things, but none those is an actual definition.  Bible for instance is not defining when it says "Love is patient, love is kind...", etc. in Corinthians 13.  No definition.

Here is an example of an incomplete definition:  "Love is the unconditional and active caring for and about the well-being and happiness of a person.

That's a great example and I agree with it. I think you are right, there are many definitions, and there are different kinds of love, though I think that they all involve genuine caring in some way.

A "model" citizen....with two definitions...as a "good" and as a "just like everybody else" citizen.  {#basic-ohsnap.gif}

I think its all about conformity to the standards set by government and media. Which is why its probably not always a good thing to be.

Nor is it good to fit with what people around you think, necessarily.  So, this has several layers and intrepretations.

 

Indeed it does.

A model citizen (of Amerika, at least) is one that doesn't just whine about their rights, but also understands and embraces the OBLIGATIONS that come with those rights.

I think that's a "good" citizen. A model citizen seems more like a pre-designated mentality conformist. I mean, imagine what a model citizen is in China or North Korea. A freaking monster, I'd wager.

Not really the Chinese, I mean they do believe in conformity and most of them feel it's best because they know little else.  The North Koreans are scary though, having been spoon-fed hatred for western nations, and America in particular, from birth forward.

Things are changing for them, however, as western dvds and such are commonly smuggled into the country, awakening the younger generations to the knowledge of the world writ large.

Yes, North Korea seems like a horrible social experiement. It must be like 1994 in there. Hopefully what the Kim dude is gone the next generation will gain some kind of foothold.

To answer your question--HERE I AM!!! {#basic-cool.gif}

HaHa. And I'm sure you would make a fine male model, Martin.

I was one--in the 1970s! Well maybe not 'fine' but....

No, I'm sure you were. HaHa.

Who am I to argue with a smart, beautiful woman?!??

Some of the many many reasons I'll never breed.

HaHa. But surely we need the Scarly's of this world to take down the Christians and Muslims with families of twenty (brain cells between them). We need more scientists and less believers. But scientists are career people, and the faithful are career (into a wall of poverty) people.

I have a god-daughter (oh yeah the irony) she'll have to do, I will - and do - instil in her all the evils of freedom - but she's hit her tweens now and what would a senile old woman like me know!

If anyone wants to buy some eggs...

A God-daughter? Were you at the Christening? Tweens. Like pre-teens? I could do with some eggs, I'm planning a fry up for ...... oh! Those kind of eggs.!

I love religion, it's a fascinating topic, and I've read as many 'Holy' books (not just the Bible, lol) that I've been able to lay my hands on.  Been a lifelong fascination of mine.  In the end, and where I remain, is with the meta belief that belief itself is a tool for achieving effects, and that since nothing is true, everything is permitted.  That makes me a Chaote, if a label must be placed on it.

So!  Religions?  Love 'em.   Religious people?  Depends on the person, true believers do have something I want, they have peace of mind.  They do exist and I've been blessed to know a few, but could count them on my fingers, that's how rare they are.  But I cannot convince myself and no 'Holy Spirit' has ever reached down and set me afire with belief, so...(shrugs.)

It's the hypocrites that frost my hiney.  The ones who act all pious while delivering viciousness at every opportunity.   The liars who bear false witness while invoking the name of Christ or Allah or whoever it is they worship.  Those who maim and slaughter (Boko Haram, for example) in the name of their deity.   Those who ostracize sinners, being sinners themselves.

I've always lived on the fringes of society, with addicts and thieves, prostitutes and the poor--(who some well fed christians seem to feel have somehow earned their poverty, who deserve it as part of God's punishment)--the physically afflicted and mentally ill.

Kinda like the people Jesus hung out with, right?

Oh, but let me drop a single "CUNT" on Blogster, and they condemn me forever, lol.   There are so-called christians here who have saved insults I hurled at other members 7 or 8 years ago, happily trotting them out whenever they feel like having a full-on hate fest. 

Most are gone, most all of Blogster is gone, but the tiny burning core of 'em are hanging on to the bitter end.

These sorts of christians?  I don't care if they live, die, or grow mushrooms in their cracks,  they can just suck my dick.

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Yeah I didn't catch fire but I did smell smouldering... might have been my soul which I don't beleive in.

Tweens 9-12

Haha fried human eggs - no I can't imagine they'd be very nice to eat!

I find relgion facinating too, it's really interesting and I've done a lot of reading on it. I do prefer paganism because it's got more nudity and the tatts are cooler.

But I am tired of old men telling me my vagina is beholding to thier sky fairy - fuck off ya old perv.

"I love religion, it's a fascinating topic, and I've read as many 'Holy' books (not just the Bible, lol) that I've been able to lay my hands on."

Everyone has an opinion (or a 10,000). I think the best citizens know what love is, and they properly/successfully ply/apply it in most of their real life-suituations ...it in spite of their and other's opinions/thoughts/values. 

BTW1, I think that real humility is an outworking of one's ability love .

BTW2, I think that almost no one has a true/useful definition of the idea/virtue of love .  Wanna BrainStorm it?

No one brainstormed it as well as Leonard Cohen, He was a Jew who also embraced Buddhist philosophy.  Here he says it in song, I will post the lyrics since I know you probably wouldn't listen to it, even though it's not hard rock or even anything close.  The man was a vocalist, and one of the best poets ever, these lyrics are prophetic. I have bolded the line about LOVE, feeling it perfectly expressed.

It's called 'The Future.'  (by Leonard Cohen)

Give me back my broken night
My mirrored room, my secret life
It's lonely here
There's no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
Over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby
That's an order!

Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that's left
And stuff it up the hole
In your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St. Paul
I've seen the future, brother
It is murder

Things are going to slide (slide) in all directions
Won't be nothing (won't be)
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
Has crossed the threshold
And it's overturned
The order of the soul

When they said (they said) repent (repent), repent (repent)
I wonder what they meant
When they said (they said) repent (repent), repent (repent)
I wonder what they meant
When they said (they said) repent (repent), repent (repent)
I wonder what they meant

You don't know me from the wind
You never will, you never did
I'm the little Jew
Who wrote the Bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
But love's the only engine
Of survival.


Your servant here, he has been told
To say it clear, to say it cold
It's over, it ain't going any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
You feel the devil's riding crop
Get ready for the future: It is murder

Things are going to slide (slide) in all directions
Won't be nothing (won't be)
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
Has crossed the threshold
And it's overturned the order of the soul

When they said (they said) repent (repent), repent (repent)
I wonder what they meant
When they said (they said) repent (repent), repent (repent)
I wonder what they meant
When they said (they said) repent (repent), repent (repent)
I wonder what they meant

There'll be the breaking of the ancient Western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There'll be phantoms, there'll be fires on the road
And the white man dancing
You'll see your woman hanging upside down
Her features covered by her fallen gown
And all the lousy little poets coming round
Trying to sound like Charlie Manson
Yeah the white man dancing

Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St. Paul
Give me Christ
Or give me Hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don't like children anyhow
I've seen the future, baby: It is murder.

On the surface a lot of poetry and poet's 'songs' are meaningless to all but a few who care to unscramble the words of a troubled mind; I don't.  Too, I don't hear well (never have) so most songs are beyond my ability to suss.

Yes, this one line is true about love: "But love's the only engine
Of survival.
"  However, I take issue with it being described, literally, without more explanation, as an 'engine'.  But it is an engine in the sense that it is fallow or useless unless a human oils/greases it, gasses it, hooks it to a battery, etc., and connects/applies it to the plethora of love-needful human scenarios.

Yes, me, too...   "I've seen the future, baby: It is murder. "


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