
AMOD: Has America Crossed the Rubicon? Why is Civil War always the Solution offered by the Extremist on Both Sides? Civil Wars Don't Work!!

RESEARCH/PERSONAL OPINION/COMMENTARY:
"Anerrephtho Kybos" (let the die be cast)
Julius Caesar, 49 BC
What is meant by "Crossing the Rubicon"?
To cross the Rubicon is a metaphor which means to take an irrevocable step that commits one to a specific course.
In 49 BC, it is generally accepted by most Historians that Julius Caesar's crossing of the Rubicon River was the beginning of the Roman Civil War. It is also considered by most Historians to be the beginning of the end for the "Roman Republic"!
So, I ask the question with all sincerity.....has America crossed the Rubicon?
I also ask with all sincerity why do so many people these days talk of Civil War? If folks understood really what is meant by Civil War I am not so sure they would be rushing to use the term or urge that we as a Nation roll towards that kind of disaster.
First....let's make it clear, Civil Wars seldom result in the changes that those participating or encouraging it desire. As a matter of fact Civil Wars tend to end in bloody failures!!
Yes, in 49 BC Caesar was the victor in the Roman Civil War, but the Roman Republic was the loser. By the way how did that thing end for Caesar? (smile)
Yes the Purtians won the English Civil War, but how did it end for Oliver Cromwell? The Monarchs eventually came back into power and Cromwell lost his head!
How about the American Civil War? Jefferson Davis sure made out nice didn't he?
Revolutions tend to result in change....not Civil Wars. Revolutions are based upon the principal of change, which means something different exist after the success of the uprising, but it should be noted that seldom does that change happen immediately!
So, I ask in all sincerity those of you who advocate Civil War, what is the end result that you desire?
In the most recent case, do you want Donald Trump to be President? Do you really believe that the more than 80 Million people who voted for Joe Biden....and trust me there were 80 Million who voted for Biden are going to now accept Trump as their President?
Are you ready to kill or imprison your fellow Citizens in order to keep Trump as your President? And once you do that, do you really believe that Trump is going respect you for doing it. Do you really believe he cares that much about you?
Also, Civil War normally requires enough people willing to die for a particular belief. In this case, what is that belief.....someone stole the election from Trump? Someone stole your vote? What makes you think that once you succeed that the otherside won't feel as strongly as you do that their votes were stolen?
Talking Civil Wars never accomplishes anything. Actually it only seems to encourage the extreme on both sides to arm up and try to out do the other.
And one last question.....what are the sides in this Civil War? Is it Patriots vs. Commies and Socialist? Is it Left vs Right? Is it Conservatives vs. Liberals? How do you identify who is who?
Bullets have no brains....once fired they do not discriminate! People need to stop this insane talk of Civil War.
What are you willing to die for? If it is not your Country.....which is not under threat right now, then I suggest you do a rethink!
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Read it earlier.....and yes, you hit it on the head the military is stating they will not support any silliness! |
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@stfl: You treated me like garbage the moment you discovered I did not vote for EITHER candidate in 2016 because I disliked Hillary and didn't know enough about Trump to bother, so I abstained from voting in that POTUS election at all. You held me PERSONALLY accountable for Hillary's loss, not because I voted against her, but because I didn't vote FOR her. Prior to that I had been one of your most steadfast supporters on this site, taking all manner of heat from my so-called 'conservative' friends for speaking to you at all, for treating you like a human being instead of a freak. (Though I do have a soft spot for freaky people, which is why I had liked you from the get-go.) After Hillary lost, any attempt at conversation with you resulted in you accusing me of trying to change your mind, which I was *not* doing because I'd voted for neither candidate in 2016, the election was over, and I was actually trying to comfort you. I got kicked in the teeth for my efforts. Thanks a lot. Since then I have pretty much left you alone, though I do confess to taking a poke at ya here and there. Being discarded like a used snot rag over a vote I did NOT cast tends to make a person understand that the friendship was never real in the first place. You hurt me. Made me all buttsore n stuff. Hell, I am *still* buttsore over it. During all those years you and I could have been talking privately, and who knows? You may have just managed to sway me over to your way of thinking. Doubtful, but nothing's impossible. Instead, our dialogue died. Ceased altogether. Never mind the slings and arrows I took on your behalf just for being friends with you, since the conservative rightwingers in here saw you in an entirely different light, a light I found both unfair and disgusting. You used to be an interesting and well rounded individual, now you're nothing but an extremist political mouthpiece and a lot of what you post is simply not factual, even many of your own sources contradict you. ~shrugs~ We live and learn. Enjoy your echo chamber, just remember it will drown out everything else, but you obviously don't want to hear anything but your own voice/opinion anyway, and the handful here who dote on your every word. Hope all that backpatting was worth it. So! Now you have your way, Trump is gone, but you still can't stop writing about him and I doubt you ever will. AMOD, I do apologize for the hijack, but PMs no longer work here and sftl has their blog set to friends only for commenting. I can't be arsed to read where I am not welcome to participate in any resulting conversation. That's akin to being lectured to, and I can get my fill of that by watching 30 minutes (or less) of CNN or MSNBC. I wish you well, sftl/vickie/james...whatever you are identifying as today. But if I catch you in the ladies room while you still have your junk attached, I'll still try to kick you in the balls while screaming like a banshee. Girls gotta have *some* privacy, yanno? I'll leave you with a song, perhaps we'll be able to meet for a drink someday. Perhaps not. Either way, I intend to show you the graciousness you refused to me, congratulations on your victory, I hope it serves you well. A double helping, even. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbJmWCuMiEM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbJmWCuMiEM |
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LoL, somehow I think you can handle it, AMOD. Yeah. Just don't get in trouble with the wife and earn yourself a timeout! |
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) @bfd " Civil war is the biggest misnomer since jumbo shrimp." I disagree! The biggest misnomer...or oxymoron...is "military intelligence." :) |
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(smiles) My how time flies! Have we really known each other that long? I remember when he was heading off on his first deployment, back in JoeUser days. |
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If it wasn't for the last civil war you'd be picking cotton or tobacco and your wife would be cooking our meals and cleaning our house. |
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Imper.....once again you never cease to amaze me!! You knocked that one out of the park and as a result there is absolutely nothing I have to add! |
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I really like guns, aaaand I'm not so keen on people - can i come - I promise to try and not shoot everyone - misanthropy makes me a bad shot. |
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Sure, you can push my manual wheelchair once the battery in my mobility scooter runs down. All I have on that is a viking helmet and a couple of clown horns. |
I invite you to check out my post of today's. I will admit that seeing your title, but not reading the article, is part of the inspiration for my article. I know that I do not want a civl war...whether "my side" wins or loses, but I certainly don't want those that would change the country from what it is now, to win.
Those people, in my opinion, are those that want to use force to keep trump in power. I never believed that trump legally, and/or without outside interference, won the office. I said as much from day one, but I NEVER suggesting going to Washington with guns in order to force the government to change the leader over to Hillary. I perferred Hillary, I would have been much happier with Hillary.
Instead of advocating violence, I advocated LEGAL redress of the issue, and peaceful legal Constitutionally guartauned protest of the horrible policies that trump put in place. And yes, I refused to call him the p word and never capitalized his last name. Pretty tame "warfare" in my opinion.
The answer to the question of what would those 80 million people think, I can answer as one of the 80 million. We would be truly ticked off. Royally. I donated more money to this campaign and its various sections than I have ever donated before, I put my money where my mouth is and donated to help Georgia Democrats in their effort to flip the state as well as various other places across the country.
And I took a risk on getting Covid-19 by going to the polls in person to vote for Biden!!! And so did many of those 80 million persons, and those that didn't go to the polls followed the rules in their state concerning absentee/mailin ballots.
And on the who is who question....remember, no matter how we divide up, there will always be people "lost on the wrong side". For example if Louisiana went to the trump side of the "civil war", I would be lost in the right city but wrong state. That's how that works...sadly.