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Did CharlieAdams just call me a LIAR?
This all comes about from replies to the following two blog posts.
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(Charlie is commenting here to the Poster of the original site) http://www.blogster.com/chuckman/aung-san-suu-kyi-omar-khadr-and-barack-obama-a-dreadful-tale-of-what-america-has-become
this is sick. Another war crime by the Bush/Cheney administration. When are these two going to be tried???
(Charlie is commenting to same subject on a post Maria made in concern to the Original Post) http://www.blogster.com/maria/this-is-shocking
ok, I promised i would read that post and I did. You can see my comments there. This is shameful, of course it's not Obama that did this...this is just another war crime to set on the Bush/Cheney administration. This is not who America is supposed to do things, this country is greater than this. It makes me sick and the apathy of the American people over this is outrageous too. First the fact they believe the lies they are being told and then they do no research to see what the rest of the world thinks and says. It's pitiful, really.
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MY Reply to CharlieAdams That I posted on both sites.
CharlieAdams said "this is sick. Another war crime by the Bush/Cheney administration. When are these two going to be tried???"
(to Charlie) I left this on your post over there, but just incase you miss it.
“Just three days after becoming the new president of the United States, Barack Obama approved a devastating missile attack against targets in Pakistan.”
“The Obama Administration simply ignored Section 4(a)(3) of the WPR when it announced the escalation,” Boyle noted. “U.S. armed forces are in Afghanistan originally pursuant to WPR. Its requirement that the President get Congressional consent on substantial enlargement (of forces) was put there to deal with the kind of gradual escalation we saw in Viet Nam that eventually led to 550,000 troops being there,” Boyle said.
President Obama “has now escalated the conflict into Pakistan and has set off a humanitarian catastrophe for 2-million of its people similar to what President Nixon set off in Cambodia,” Boyle said. “What Obama is doing is destabilizing Pakistan and setting off a civil war there. It’s a very dangerous, illegal, unconstitutional policy,” Boyle said.
Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool
The role of the CIA's controversial prisoner-transfer program may expand, intelligence experts say.
February 01, 2009|Greg Miller
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/01/nation/na-rendition1
WASHINGTON — The CIA's secret prisons are being shuttered. Harsh interrogation techniques are off-limits. And Guantanamo Bay will eventually go back to being a wind-swept naval base on the southeastern corner of Cuba.
But even while dismantling these programs, President Obama left intact an equally controversial counter-terrorism tool.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6011693
“Barack Obama wants us to execute "Change we believe in". However he is regurgitating the Neocon agenda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Carpet bombing Afghanistani civilians with Daisy Cutters did not eliminate the opposition to occupation, it fueled the resistance.”
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again, I find what you post to be skewed at best and more often than not, to be flat out wrong and nothing more than disinformation. Did you complain when Bush invaded Iraq? For no reason? Over a million Iraqis are dead now, for what??? Don't go preaching to me about anything Obama has done or not done, We're all still living with what Bush and Cheney did that has to be undone so we can move on.
You see Charlie says, “of course it’s not Obama that did this... this is just another war crime to set on the Bush/Cheney administration.”
On Rendition: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/us/politics/25rendition.html
New York Times
By DAVID JOHNSTON
Published: August 24, 2009
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will continue the Bush administration’s practice of sending terrorism suspects to third countries for detention and interrogation, but pledges to closely monitor their treatment to ensure that they are not tortured, administration officials said Monday.
Human rights advocates condemned the decision, saying that continuing the practice, known as rendition, would still allow the transfer of prisoners to countries with a history of torture. They said that promises from other countries of humane treatment, called “diplomatic assurances,” were no protection against abuse.
Charlie to me: Personally, I don't find any credence to anything you post that you found on the Internet, it's all skewed and to many times I've found it to be just plain wrong and misinformation.
Charlie ... are you calling me a liar?
I even used the LA Times, NYTimes and Democratic underground... Left Steam Bias Sources... Charlie I remember hearing and reading this all on the news when it happened. Just like recently on another blog about Obama announced that he would make Veterans Pay for there Insurance... (which was rethought and not enacted) My point is that I don’t like being called or made to feel like a liar... I would take you on in a debate on a stage any day with no computer, no TV no phone in hand with a Foreign Independent Moderator.
I am fed up with the fact that the conservatives here bend over backwards to supply links and sources. Just because you won’t admit that Obama is not perfect!
Now in full disclosure I told Charlie to keep lying... out of frustration... So I apologize for that, but not the content to the debate or my statements otherwise.
Bush is gone... but Obama kept the two of the main policies you complain of... you just keep lying.. I thought you would want to know the truth. I don't hide from the truth.. nor do I not study and read what is happening.
Do you trust the NYTimes?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/us/politics/25rendition.html
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Deny, deny, deny! It's the liberal way! |
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The Liberals never blame Obama for anything and if an article in a left leaning paper comes out and criticizeshim...it is not the paper, it is the writer at fault, writing misleading articles. They will believe Obama until they are hungry, ill, and desperate enough to finally realise that he is wrong!! |
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Probably not even then! |
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Yep... Charlie wants to call the facts misinformation... LOL |
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Nota you are 100% correct! A+ |
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lol, call it what you want. Your not lying as far as you can tell because you believe what your posting. I call it misinformation and it is true that when some of your cut and paste articles are researched they are not factual at all. Say what you want about me, I really don't care. I also won't go to childish lenghts to post your name in the topic of any of my posts. But thank you for doing that for me. It will probably boost my readership. Ya'll have a good night now, hear! |
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love you too anon! |
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by the way, what in the world is all that jibberish up there? Certainly not the way it looks on the blogs. Have fun with it. I'm not playing this game with you, so tear into me all you want. |
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There are direct links to the original blogs... I encourage all to go see them. |
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by the way, it was "don't bother to comment back" |
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lol, you are a character! |
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no need. My posts are not lies. |
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My post are not lies. |
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Sure seems to be allot of lying and fighting on this blog... |
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Get back here Charlie. No Defense Charlie.
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"don't bother to comment back" |
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Now that cut and run post is funny... |
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LOL . . . the official seal of the Democratic Party... that's funny! |
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Charlie to me: Personally, I don't find any credence to anything you post that you found on the Internet, it's all skewed and to many times I've found it to be just plain wrong and misinformation. Charlie ... are you calling me a liar? Legitimate question.....now lets see what you said to Charlie:
Bush is gone... but Obama kept the two of the main policies you complain of...YOU JUST KEEP LYING..... I thought you would want to know the truth. I don't hide from the truth.. nor do I not study and read what is happening.
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Information tecnology is very real and the internet is the new paper. You cannot trust everythign you find but you certainly can use it to prove facts from reliable sources just as some books are not reliable sources. |
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Did Charlie call you a liar? I dont know. Did you call Charlie one?....yup!
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Maria... Did I do a full disclosure? |
OH NO, not The Obsessed Obama Girl again !!!! |
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Now in full disclosure I told Charlie to keep lying... out of frustration... So I apologize for that, but not the content to the debate or my statements otherwise.
Bush is gone... but Obama kept the two of the main policies you complain of... you just keep lying.. I thought you would want to know the truth. I don't hide from the truth.. nor do I not study and read what is happening. Now Maria... would you like me to do more? |
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yes you did. |
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no thanks. |
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Replies like this make my blood boil... anagin 4Bilss, Poppa Bush used Daisy cutters. Whats your point? We have been carpet bombing since the invasion of Normandy. That's how you do it for maximum effect. Why is this an issue with you? Bush had men raped in prison, men who were never charged with any crime. Where are your values and your moral compass? This is about hating a man you really know no truths about, only lies spread to you thru bad media. This is the second post you brought this up in, and it's not even close to whats being talked about. Go do some more research on Red States dot com. So Charlie can just say what ever he wants but no links? Yet, we have to link to everything. |
Hi Maria. Am I still your favorite? |
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yup, you sure are sweetheart.... |
No, Maria's heart belongs to OBAMA. She is the Obsessed Obama Girl from a land far far way. |
No, no, no. There is no way that Maria's heart could be with Obama, when I am here. |
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eky has been posting many, many articles about this topic 4bliss...and Charlie I'm sure can provide you with all the links eky provided which we have all perused at one point or another. This is a very emotive issue regardless of which side it is viewed from. Emotion/frustration/anger/passion...all understable feelings when confronting an issue such a this. |
Oh thank you Maria. |
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Did she make a birthday post for you ??? She made one for Obama.
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lol...I will let you two argue about that....knock yourselves out...lol. |
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yup, that birthday post I made for Obama sure lost me a lot of my "conservative" friends I had before I posted it. I guess they hate him more than they liked me..... |
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you are most welcome my sweet.... |
your birthday post was over the top, Obsessed Obama girl. |
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So Eky links are truthful.. and mine are lies... even though I use the NYtimes and LATimes... and the underground democrat? Maria, they love Obama. |
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I really don't care what you link, that's the point. If you want to prove my posts wrong YOU go and find it. I won't waste my time playing the game with you, I do my research and do it well. |
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all links are subject to people's own perceptions, likes and dislikes. Both yours and eky's can be as deceptive or truthful as each other's. It is up to the individual who reads the information to ascertain for themselves which is true and which is false. |
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not this time Maria, i will not play into this crap. If they want to prove I'm wrong, let them do the research themselves, just like we do to prove them wrong regardless of the links they provide. I really do have better things to do, like watching Dancing With The Stars. Way more entertaining than these people. |
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awwww, tell me you're not enjoying (just one little bit) the funny posts from all the anonymous people here Charlie... |
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You just can't Handle the Truth.... go to USGov.com and read up on this administrations Detention... and don't lie that Obama is not doing Rendition... HE is... I am not blaming him... I am just stating it is a fact of war... The President's first duty is to protect the citizens of this nation. |
Hey Charlie, you and Maria can play Obamopoly if you are tired of this game hahahahahaha |
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they are cracking me up, I'm going to enjoy this next box of popcorn and go thru them again! |
In Obamopoly, does everyone go broke before passing Go? Jail must be a FEMA camp? |
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Charlie and Maria can play Obama Death panel WHO GETS TO LIVE ? ? ? |
ROFL. Obama Death Panel Operation Game. LOL! |
Charlie, you have to share your popcorn with everyone. You have to feed 300 million people. |
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no prob anon, I have plenty |
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Rendition yes. Still raping young boys and prisioners and denying them food or beating to death more than a hundred...Ok some things have changed...LOL. |
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Dancing with the stars?! Did the indicted Tom Delay leave yet? Perhaps he has some abortions to fund in the Marianas Isles.. |
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yep, believe it or not, Donny Osmond won!! |
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Donny...Well bless his heart, it's been a while since he was in the light so let him have it I suppose.
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lol, he was sure excited!! |
Nice to see you back here! |
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@Maria, who said: "Did Charlie call you a liar? I dont know.Did you call Charlie one?....yup!" Is this your fight? Nope. Oh wait, you just made it your fight. Meddling Maria...when will you ever learn? |
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That comment was made by 4bliss on one of my posts LW....they were having a heated debate on MY post...which prompted THIS post. Meddling? and you're not???
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Actually, Maria, I was only made aware of this post because of RutRoh's post in which you mentioned a post of yours where I saw this thread mentioned...by you, adminstering 'attaboys' to someone who was mocking 4Bliss. You take great offense towards anyone mocking your buddies, yet when your lil buddies mock other bloggers, you give them kudos. You called this thread 'silly' and agreed that it deserved mockery. And yeah, I'm meddling because it's become impossible to avoid your various disputes with other bloggers. They're all over the place because you feel some sort of obligation to defend the indefensible behavior of others. Now, do me, yourself, and 4Bliss a favor and revisit Rut's thread about racism. I've responded to you there, and have no desire to have this discussion in more than one place. If you can't (or won't) do that, go on about your bad self and have a nice day. I just wanted Bliss to know that as you're smiling in her face here (having your so-called 'civility' taken advantage of) you're stabbing her in the back elsewhere. |
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I dont know what your problem is little whip...and I dont really want to defend myself with you because I find it quite demeaning. But people here including 4bliss will see this comment so I will say this one thing...it was Martin who said this post is silly....I agreed it was silly BECAUSE of the people coming in here and making a mockery of it. I also stated to Martin that this is a serious post because the issue being debated is a serious one and is worth debating. I have explained it to 4bliss and if she doesnt find my explanation satisfactory she is welcome to tell me herself. Anyone who wants to see for themselves what it is you are talking about are welcome to go and check it out. I dont have to justify my blogging to you....actually least of all you....you have blocked me from your site and as far as I'm concerned that was your choice, your prerogative and it didnt matter to me in the least. I have adhered to the code of conduct and stayed away from you and your comments in all the other blogs I've seen you in. I have little proof that it is you who visits my blog and knocks my stars down but judging by your disdain for me, and your avatar on my visitors column, it would not surprise me. But again, nothing you do matters...so if you are doing that...go right ahead..if it gives you some kind of satisfaction or pleasure...have at it. I dont know what you mean to achieve with this and again I dont care. People can decide for themselves what they think of you and your accusatory comment to me...it doesnt bother me one way or another. 4bliss is welcome to come and see for herself whether I am stabbing her in the back or not.
I have no problem whatsoever with your dislike or disdain of me....I dont give you the same importance because nothing you say here or anywhere means anything to me....to me there is absolutely nothing about you that matters and that includes how you feel about me or my blogging. Truthfully, you're not even important enough to wish a nice day to.
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Of course not, Maria. But I was important enough to generate a multiple paragraph response...telling me how *unimportant* I am!
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is that what it takes to make you feel important little-whip?...geez I didnt realize you were so starved for my attention. The thing is, if you had've just let time pass and we both stayed out of each other's way, things might have got better between us later on down the track. I made a point not to engage you in any conversations so that things could cool down and tensions could have eased. That was what I was hoping for. I made a bet with myself, which one of us was going to break the peace first....I won. |
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Well bully for you, Maria. Myself, I never had any misconceptions about reconciliation with you, because you're one of those 'love me, love my friends' types. It's not enough to be friendly with YOU, one must embrace every cretin you choose to embrace to stay on your good side, and I find the practice immature and annoying. In other words, thanks but no thanks. And yes, I was in your visitors list because you ASKED people to view that thread and come to their own conclusions, which I did. The next time you post such a request, you should add a disclaimer stating that I am specifically uninvited to join in the fun, mmmk? In regards to your 'star' ratings...no, I can't be bothered to load your page just to lower your stars. There must be a few other people who don't think you're quite as wonderful as you think you are. Go look at your stars right now...and then check 'em again in an hour. Since we're limited to one rating per thread, you'll see them go down soon, just to prove to you that I haven't been the one doing it, but since I stand accused, I might as well. You and a few others place far too much importance on these ratings anyway. Grow up. |
what do you expect from a liberal ???? |
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What is this anonymous gone mad? LOL.... I am trying to facebook and each time I come back by sites been dive bombed... |
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I think they just enjoy taking advantage of my civility 4bliss....its all good....lol. |
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For rendition, he had the decency to make assurances that torture would not occur, unlike the previous administration who had sleepovers with those who would boil others alive (and did, wanna see the pics?) And when did the republicans begin caring what nation the "war on terra" shifted to? Somalia anyone? Kidnappings in Italy? Egypt? Weak sauce... |
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And don't get me wrong, I don't approve of Rendition. I would prefer this administration not emulate any of the inhuman psychopath practices that the previous administration engaged in. But you know what, I don't worry at night like I used to knowing what they were doing with no accountability while Bush was in charge. |
I agree, bring the troops home. |
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Once someone has been rendered elsewhere, how can the POTUS make assurances on anything that may happen to them? |
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations/ When you actually read the executive order, the differences between the two programs can be seen. Yearly reports, monitoring committee, unrestricted access by the international red cross, and requiring that the Army field manual on interrogations be followed by the U.S. or "any agents of the U.S." How many of those did the previous administration care to take...This rendition thing is just a case of Latimes and WaPo getting suckered by right wing bolagna... |
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@Little-Whip... Once someone has been rendered elsewhere, how can the POTUS make assurances on anything that may happen to them? Exactly.... even the NYT's says Obama has no idea what is going on in some dingy cellar in Egypt... but EKY is assured that all is well now. How nice. |
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just gotta love the hijacking of a post by Anon. Lots of good stuff! |
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Hey Charlie, Thought you might want to look at the link I just posted above here. You might find it interesting...
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it is interesting, and just goes to show how easily news papers and people are manipulated. |
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You betcha!!! Charlie called you a liar and says conservs demonize Obama but he sure didn't think twice about posting demeaning avatars of Sarah Palin. Did ya , Charlie?
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Go look at these pictures. Look in both albums. Someone posted some of the pictures on Charlies post, but he kept deleting them. My Albums
My Photos 2009/06/24 (16)
Post Photos 2009/06/24 (43) http://www.blogster.com/ekyprogressive/album/index |
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Thanks..I rarely go to Eky's blog so didn't know he had posted those pics. What comes to mind now is: kettle/ pot phrase and "what's good for the goose is good for the gander or the lib revised phrase" what's good for the libs is not good for the conservs". How shallow ..how ridiculous..how wrong! |
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There is a difference. Have you heard me complain regarding the photos and such, except to say that I don't see where comparatively Obama has done anything to warrent the criticism that the previous administration received? The answer is nothing. He hasn't abused our military, he didn't send them to attack two nations that really did nothing to us, he hasn't tortured or allowed the rape of anyone, and he didn't illegally disenfranchize hundreds of thousands of voters through caging lists. My only concern is when the rehetoric is blatantly racist in nature, or is either indirectly or directly fishing for assassins to try and kill him. So if my photos bother you, don't look at them. |
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It's not the same game. How many wrong nations has Obama invaded and how many millions has he killed. Not even close to the same. "You did so I can" is just childish without legitimate reasons. |
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Charlie always calls names. |
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just exactly where did I use the term "liar" anyways? Just courious...... |
I think charlie adams is the anon who posted all of the pictures on here. Then he used them to make his post . He was laughing at the pictures on here. |
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I'm so very glad that I have made such an impression on someof you that you will write posts about me and talk about me while I'm not even here. It's so sweet and lovable, kisses to all! |
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OH one last point, Bush began a privatized assassination group that began working by his orders in Pakistan in 2006. So Who is responsible for pushing this into Pakistan?
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Hummmmm, al queda ,,, taliban ,,, Islamic terrorist ??? Who wants to kill Americans? You are on the wrong side, you defend the killers, you are so full of hatred ,,, you are aiding the terrorist. You are past ever understanding what is happening. |
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How so, at least I realize they are not in Afghanistan or Iraq, at least not in enough numbers to require military. Osama, if he is alive which I doubt with about 90% certainty, would be in Pakistan, where the Taliban and Al Qaeda are strongest. I wasn't the one protesting functions in Pakistan, the poster was. I protest the fact that we should not hire private corporations to do our CIA's assassination work. Unless you find no problem with "murder for hire" corporations.
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Links please.. and The Pakistan Government asked us not to Carpet Bomb, the country is unstable enough... 0bama ordered it 3 days after taking office. Also, Pakistan was not against targeted terrorist hunts. |
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Links for which one...Regarding Blackwater/xe and pakistan? The privatized CIA assassination ring? What would you like, I will gladly provide what I can
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I guess 0bama's bowing to the saudi king paid off... his grandmother had her way paid to make the pilgrimage to Mecca... |
That is the Grandmother that was a Christain during the elections.... lol |
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Wow, Bliss, you have the biggest post going..!! Sorry I missed this one. As I said awhile back: liberals have one year to blame President Bush for everything. After that one year period, Americans are not going to listen to the "blame game" anymore. When unemployment still sits at 10%, when America is still involved in 2 wars, when health insurance reform isn’t passed, YET democrats had enough people to pass it, and Gay people have no more rights then they did during Bush; who will they blame NEXT YEAR? Liberals blame Bush for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, yet their democrat politicians stood side by side with republicans to give Bush the authority to invade both countries. Are democrat politicians so inept that they will believe "Bush’s lies" and vote WITH Bush..?? If democrat politicians are that stupid, why would we trust them with our national health care..?? Bliss, can you understand that logic? I really try hard to understand the liberal mind. It just seems to be filled with anger. The liberal heart is as cold as ice. Gay rights are only important when a republican is in office. When a democrat sits in the Oval Office, the Gay community is happy with no rights. They point to "so called" war crimes committed by Bush. Yet, they turn a blind eye to Vietnam, Korea, and WW2. Wars guided by their beloved liberal democrat party. Either they do not understand American history; or they have no freaking shame. Well, Bliss; we have time on our side. We have all the time in the world. The liberal / progressives do not. They are running out of time. President Obama’s numbers are slipping. Traditional democrats are breaking away from the progressive wing of the party. President Obama is focused on health care when the number one issue is JOBS and the economy. Democrats pissed away ONE YEAR of a "super- majority." They have not gotten one thing done. (Obama cannot even make up his mind on repealing "Don’t ask, don’t tell.) He could do that with a stroke of the pen. You are doing a great job, Bliss..!! The anger that you are seeing from liberals is actually anger they have for their own party. But they cannot admit that they are angry with themselves. So they blame YOU. Time is running out for the liberal progressive. The "blame game" will not work in 2010. |
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AR... you have such great logic and a way with words... sure am glad you're on my side. |
. . . the ones on here are now all saying Obama wasn't their first pick.. SWG and EKY were backing Edwards then Hillary and well they supported 0bama... |
Convenient..!! We didn’t support Obama either, so how the heck did he win..?? Thank you for the complement, that was a very nice thing to say. |
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You rock, dude. |
Were the voting machines rigged? Software that was written in Venezula? |
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Wouldn't doubt it... or Acorns were lodged in them. |
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"now saying it" I was saying it back in 2007. So what? And it was Edwards to Obama for me. Hillary is to Republican on too many issues for me to bear. Let her do what she is doing, a face for diplomatic relations that has the nostalgia of a "better" America that Bush nearly destroyed. Lets not get confused though, I still back what he is doing...91%... |
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"When unemployment still sits at 10%" Brought by the financial collapse of the previous administration, as fun as it is to leave that out, we should be accurate. The crap hit the fan in september, and we are still trying to work it all out. ", when America is still involved in 2 wars," Who did that? "when health insurance reform isn’t passed, YET democrats had enough people to pass it," Who is filibustering and fighting every step of the way? All Republicans, and the C-Street Cultist Conservadems. and Gay people have no more rights then they did during Bush; who will they blame NEXT YEAR? ...Did you miss the hate crimes bill passage? How about the Lilly ledbetter equal pay for women (I know, women...surely no one will find me saying that offensive, after all, elected republicans wouldn't even consider the notion...) "Liberals blame Bush for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, yet their democrat politicians stood side by side with republicans to give Bush the authority to invade both countries." Dems were split, like 23 or 25 against it. All Republicans were for it. You almost make it sound like a consensus, it wasn't.
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Venezula! Lord child, you are WAYYY off base! Look up the name "Clinton Eugene Curtis". He wrote the election rigging software (Florida, not Venezula)
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0bama's a whimp! |
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Who was talking about Iran? Thats another thread for another day... |
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The hell with this, I'm not saying anything for act 14.... |